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Re: The Mann Center Setlist 7/23/2001

#43523 3 years, 3 months ago
Josh wrote:
Worst of the Furthur shows I've seen too - The setlist was pedestrian and the music just never really took off. I NEVER want to hear "Masterpiece" again - especially at the mind numbingly slow tempos it's being played at. The GD beat that poor song to death.


i listened to the 1st set this morning on the way to work and i totally disagree with you. great set, and the masterpiece was very strong. i also like that Furthur includes the bridge for masterpiece (something the GD never did).

i remember strong differences of opinion about song/show quality when the GD were touring, and with Furthur it's no different.

i think it's cool that we can have different tastes and preferences and still love the same band.
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coach
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Re: The Mann Center Setlist 7/23/2001

#43574 3 years, 3 months ago
This was a fantastic show...highlights for me being greatest story ever told and loser. They really went out there on some of the extended jams and man I gotta tell you I am more impressed every time I see Jeff Chimenti. He is just outstanding on the keys and you can tell the rest of the band really vibes off of him when he's jamming. Bob went nuts on DDHNM too - it was good to hear him put such feeling into it. I'm just sorry this was my only show of the tour.

Security getting into the mann was waaaay overboard, frisked every person and were total a-holes about it. I doubt you'll find a more peaceful group of people. Next time devote more resources to the concession stand because the people working there wre slow as molasses and didn't give a damn.

All in all a great show, only downside of the night was standing in a pool of my own sweat for 3 hours.
I'm still walking, so I'm sure that I can dance.
Marid215
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Re: The Mann Center Setlist 7/23/2001

#43575 3 years, 3 months ago
To whom it may concern,

On Saturday July 23rd I attended the Furthur concert with my boyfriend and two other friends. Everything was fine as usual as the Mann is probably the best place in Philadelphia to watch a concert. However, an incident happened around 10:45pm near the left side of the stage where my boyfriend and I were standing that was very disappointing and it will make me think twice about returning to the Mann ever again.
The behavior of your security staff was unprofessional and overly violent for no reason at all. In particular, there were two security guards, an African American (wearing yellow) and the Caucasian men (wearing all black) whom Unkindly escorted us out. This is the kind of behavior that I would expect from the security team at Camdem! Certainly not the Mann Music Center at a dead concert.

My boyfriend and I noticed said security guards pushing another concertgoer towards a cement wall quite violently. My boyfriend went over to attempt to help the concert goer from being hurt any further, the security men began shoving and pushing my boyfriend out of the way immediately even though he had done NOTHING wrong except attempting to help a fellow human being. I walked over to where they were calmly telling them that we would leave no problem BUT the security guard would NOT Let go of shoving me (a 4’11” girl!) and refused to listen as I tried to tell him to stop pushing us. We were literary at the ramp about 200 ft from the exit gate. We tried to peacefully walk out of a concert we paid over $200 to go see. And again the two of them continued to shove us all the way down the ramp telling ME that I HURT HIM when I WAS THE ONE CRYING and NOT ABLE TO BREATH.

The white security guard proceeded to put his hands on me as I pleaded with him to stop. He pushed me on my chest with such force that it knocked the wind out of me and made me very upset to the point of crying. I began telling him to please stop because “you hurt me, you hurt me!” and he continued telling me “No, you are the one who hurt me, you hurt me!” Which is absolutely ridiculous. I am very upset over this situation and I am contemplating filing charges against these two men or the Mann Music Center. I need to find out the name of these two men so I can decide how to further take action. Again these two security guards were at the lower level on the left of the stage. I would appreciate a response because I will not be forgetting about this event any time soon. It is completely unacceptable to be treated in such a way by your security animals.

I also called twice that night and spoke to someone at customer service. If I do not receive a timely response my lawyer will be contacting your offices.
Thanks,
Mariana Dementshuk.
MushroomMan
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Re: The Mann Center Setlist 7/23/2001

#43593 3 years, 3 months ago
good luck I hope you succeed in sueing them and cause them to lose their jobs as well, keep track of all you e-mails and calls their ignoring and make sure you bring that up everytime you talk to someone about it. Let them know your pissed and serious about it, sounds like your going to take legal action - good for you. keep us updated if you want I'd like to hear the outcome...

sorry you had a bad experience
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Re: The Mann Center Setlist 7/23/2001

#43647 3 years, 3 months ago
I get the impression from the above post that the lady is holding the band responsible. As has already been discussed here, it's unlikely that Furthur hires the security for their shows. That would be the venue's call. I'm not saying there aren't grounds for a lawsuit -- there may well be. But before I spent any money -- and lets face it, legal fees can be astronomical -- I'd have my attorney contact the Mann to see if they contracted these clowns.
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"No!"
"Got any flies?"
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taper.tsquare
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Re: The Mann Center Setlist 7/23/2001

#43669 3 years, 3 months ago
a recording of this show is available at etree...

bt.etree.org/details.php?id=547000

i'm sure other sources will follow shortly.
killwhyT
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Re: The Mann Center Setlist 7/23/2001

#44260 3 years, 3 months ago
A good show overall with some great covers thrown in. The security were half retarded though. On the pat down security guys says what's this as he rubs my pocket and I said 'my wallet' and he says 'a what?'. It's a fucking wallet numb skull.
One of the highlights for me was the drunken buffoon who projectile vomited on the upper walk way as he staggered around. Have a good show kind bro. hahaha. Very crowded insided. What a shithole neighbourhood this was too. Lot scene was fun but I sure get tired of leg humping bums on tour who don't have any money, food, gas, tickets etc who ask you for a bite of your food as you are eating. Get a job you fucking losers.
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wlewis
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Re: The Mann Center Setlist 7/23/2001

#44633 3 years, 3 months ago
a HOT saturday afternoon...left buffalo NY at about 4:30-5:00 am, black subaru with black leather seats no air conditioning and plenty of traffic... hahahah got down to philly all said and done around 12 or 1....great to return to mann center, i loved the 2 shows there last summer...so glad they decided to play there again...accidentally ran into some tour friends i didn't expect to see so we got to set up our site right there in the shade with them and do our thing...the scene was pretty bumping--tons of nitrous and cocaine, and everything else of course...the noise from the tanks going off right near me all afternoon became pretty irritating...it was hot though folks...i mean just standing up was a task requiring mass energy and loads of sweat...got my ticket on re-release the night before from ticketbastard, front center orchestra it was a KILLER seat, and the row was not full so i had room to groove all night long

sittin on top of the world opener was awesome, no jam into it, just BAM...the energy level was very high and they segued into a great GSET...bobby did really well with the vocals and timings, the rest of the band killin it...high on a mountain is a cool song (i prefer mountain song) but nice to hear how it has developed (i remember the first one in washington) masterpiece was well played, STRONG vocals from weir i'm not sure how someone interpreted it as a weak version...same with reuben and cherise...i thought JK did a great job..that is one that either rocks or sucks...glad weir is no longer chopping the intro to it with heavy whacks...the jam that slides into loser was awesome, an unusual pairing, 2 JK vox as well...last time was fun i forget where we first saw it atlanta i want to say..somewhere in the backend of spring tour.. quinn was fun, but definitely not my choice for the set closer..it did put the crowd in a very amicable mood though..

mad rush to meet up with several tour friends during the setbreak, eventually did at the very top of the venue, killer viewof the city up there as well..i really didn't see any security at all

after listening to the tuning of the group it was clear shakedown was coming..i was not particularly pleased as they played it the last show i hit at jones beach, with only mansfield and vibes in between...it was very funky though, and they did not do their vocal shake it down part at the end, they just did it instrumentally...so it is always nice to see the different styles they use on different nights...man smart was great, awesome jump from the shakedown had the energy increase..i love any road..i think jk does a great job with it and the song is just fun--it killed the crowd energy but that was because barely anyone knew what it was (theory in development on that one)...what comes next is just monstrous a big bad playing sandwich stuffed with a help slip franklins...excellent transitions and incredible jamming...the band was completely in the zone...and death don't have no mercy...bobby KILLED it..sounded personal...midnight hr was run of the mill not spectacular but it sounded good, no terrible flubs or anything like that...

everyone was expecting the saturday night encore, i feel terrible for the HUNDREDS of people that did leave...because they played the fool in the rain they axed after DDHNM from original setlist for whatever reason...it was killer, john does an incredible job with this cover...the first on april fools day at the mothership was sweet too...but then we get the saturday night, after i speculated to the guy next to me a double encore for philly, he laughed at the thought...

hot day hotter venue even an even hotter show...hotels were sold out all the way to new jersey it was a mess, eventually found a killer cheap suite with a 2 pm checkout...unwound all night and slept well f or the first time in a while..it was off to pnc less than an hr way next afternoon
who else is gonna bring you, a broken arrow?
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R U Kind?

Re: The Mann Center Setlist 7/23/2001

#44654 3 years, 3 months ago
Good luck to you Mariana. I was there but I didn't see any of this (I was stage right most of the show). All I can say is that mean people suck.


I had some issues at all the show from some supposed fans. I was minding my own business, grovin with the music, grooving with the masses when some dude came over and said he didn't like the way I was dancing near his 14 year old daughter. I asked him who she is so I could stay away but he refused to tell me. Instead he gets in my face spitting that I better leave. This guy - and some of his friends gave me to same message at about 3 or 4 of the 6 shows I attended. Definately put a bitter taste in my mouth after such enjoyable shows. But I did not let you get me down, dude, I had a great freakin time the entire tour.

Dude, if you are reading this, you obviously lack a clear understanding of the dead philosophy, and imo you are not a very kind human being. You threatened me wtih violence which really is not cool.

FIrst, I am 48 years old - married - and I have a daughter the same age as yours. I was obviously there enjoying myself. If your daughter happened to be groving with 100 other people, and so was I, why would you think I was trying to do anything near your daughter? And when I ask you, and your other buddies who also threaten me to show me who to stay away from, and you refuse....I am just clueless. Perhaps you were looking for an excuse to start a fight, although I admit I am grateful you did not get physical. Not that I am afraid of you, fighting is just not my thing - nor is getting thrown out of shows. I just want to be at peace and shake my bones. But I will defend myself if necessay, I promise I am fully capable of that.

I don't know how many people you and your friends intimidated, I heard others saying they were asked to leave after twirling too much (a couple of girls). I also don't know what your agenda was but I believe it was a sincere - but misguided concern.

Dude, there is something called kharma out there. I meant no disrespect to anyone at any of the 6 shows. I went to 5 of the 6 shows by myself and I consider the deadheads my family (on the road) when away from home.

Next time I suggest two things. If you decide to take your daughter to a show (I will not take mine, I do not want her exposed to the drugs and the spacy people) understand that people will dance around her - if you go to the part of the audience where people are groving. If someone dances near you or her, it doesn't mean they are tryiing to put the moves on anyone. You also mentioned I touched her? Dude, perhaps I inadvertantly touched her, but again, nothing intentional. You may also want to hang out in a queter part of the stadiium if people dancing near you or your family make you uncomfortable. Anything would be reasonable - but imposing your will upon others with threats of violence is really not what I expect at a furthur / dead show. In fact, in the 220 or so shows I've been to (and I grove at all of them) - I never had any incidents like this, and the way you and your buddies did this repeatedly show after show was .....bizarre and imo unkind.

Second, if you have issues with someone, why not try to talk reasonable instead of trying to intimidate and threaten? I still have no freakin clue who your daughter even is, so I still have no clue who to avoid. A simple conversation ... like a freakin human being... could have resolved this. Why not say something like me or my wife are uncomfrotable, wouldl you mind avoidiing our daughter .. SHE's over there. Then I know who to avoid. Or maybe you were tripped out on acid, although I didnt think so. Maybe you thought I could read your mind or recognize your daughter in a group of thousands. Or maybe you really thought I was stalking her so I knew who you were talking about (I believe that especially since I asked you and your buddy repeatedly who to avoid). Dude, I am lucky if I can find my car after some of these shows and I certainly cannot guess who you want me to avoid. I go there to have fun, not to fight over fictional nonsence and BS.

Most of all....chill. Maybe some bonghits of kind will help?

Peace to all, even you brother. I understand where you were coming from, and I always prefer to avoid confrontations. But you reallly were not acting fairly to someone who did not want trouble nor did they have any intent to piss off anyone.

I don't like the way guards / cops treat some of the fans (I tried to help a deadhead at a reststop after Mann center, and the cops almost arrested me for budding in.. I just asked the cops if I can give the girl a ride because I know here from the shows (not exactly true, I never saw her). The point is we are all in this together, and most deadheads are kind and caring souls. IMO the good people try to look after and help one another. That's one piece of the magic of the grateful dead scene (MO). So I suggest you consider trying to be a little kinder? Hopefully for the right reasons. It may actually feel good to you. Or consider being kind for the wrong reason .. (you catch more bees with honey than with vinegar).

You will obviously do what you feel right, and I will do the same. Who knows, maybe someday in the future we will share a peace pipe. I do not hold grudges and I would happily fill that bowl, if you were willing to consider another human beings' pioint of view. Note, there are always three points of views, yours, mine and reality. I understand that but I don't think you do. Now that I think about it, I wonder if you and your buddies were drinking .... maybe beer muscles? One reason I generally avoid alcohol.

Peace and love to all. May the four winds blow us all safely home.
FFF! Family is Forever!!!

May God bless and keep you always
May your wishes all come true
May you always do for others
And let others do for you
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