Fair enough not sure. I agree that you have every right to your opinion. And you have every right to utilize your skills and talents to argue your point.

You clearly do not like Furthur and do not like John. Ok.

No worries man.

IMHO, I don't see this forum as I place for me to argue my point, your point or anyone else's point for that. I rather like to use the forum to share my enjoyment of the music, the musicians and the community.

Brings me peace and serenity each day in a world filled with too much conflict.

I hope you have or find music that you like!! Good luck brotha.

not sure wrote:


dude, I'm sure of one thing, you are an idiot with an idiotic opinion, you do realize the dead's music was constructed in a way to allow jerry to "shine" in his own way? (think estimated prophet e.g.), you do realize bob and phil are keeping the good vibes going that they started 40 years ago ? you do realize ratdog was better than nothing, but totally sucked compared to furthur, right?
go hate somewhere else, this board is for spreading the love and good vibes furthur brings, not your "fake jerry" bs
ps, I saw over 80 GD shows from 83-95, over 20 JGB shows and some weir projects also
"I get paid to argue and win", how's that law degree working for ya, ambulance chaser ??
rebuttal ?

not sure wrote:


You are most certainly entitled to your opinion and stating your opinion but don't give me that baloney that you didn't come here to get a reaction or start shit. That's exactly what you did and that's fine and all but you had to know people were going to get riled up. And telling people to grow thicker skin is a cop out.

"dude, I'm sure of one thing, you are an idiot with an idiotic opinion, you do realize the dead's music was constructed in a way to allow jerry to "shine" in his own way? (think estimated prophet e.g.), you do realize bob and phil are keeping the good vibes going that they started 40 years ago ? you do realize ratdog was better than nothing, but totally sucked compared to furthur, right?
go hate somewhere else, this board is for spreading the love and good vibes furthur brings, not your "fake jerry" bs
ps, I saw over 80 GD shows from 83-95, over 20 JGB shows and some weir projects also
"I get paid to argue and win", how's that law degree working for ya, ambulance chasing loser ??
rebuttal ? "






How mature of you. I bet your mom still cleans your room for you. I have been to over 250 dead shows from hershey 85 to soldier field 95, so what. . I never called anyone an idiot or a loser though.

not sure wrote:


your first line said "I dont care what you think of me" I made many valid points, you obviously get paid to tell people "your mom still cleans your room", great response, thanks for visiting, stop back anytime

Asking this question is like asking who would win a fight between gary coleman and andre the giant. = they're both dead, it would be a draw

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the day after the end of Furthur's finest tour yet and this yahoo wants to pee in the sandbox, not cool, but like he said, who give's a crap about his opinion anyway

I like the troll picture, I agree! We have one here in Seattle lives under a bridge.


Good article, I enjoyed it, can't say I know enough to always agree or disagree with some of the technical points but it does point out some interesting comparisons. Music can bring joy, that's why I like listening. Can't go back in the past.

I heard the saying once " don't spend to much time looking in the rear view mirror, you can' see where you are going"

J

edwatts wrote:


I've read some of your blogs before, and always enjoyed them. The quote in italics above is pure genius and cuts to the point so much that the rest of the article is truly unnecessary, even though it's an interesting read.

I did 6 of the '91 nights and only one of the '12 nights, and would have gone to more of the 12's if situations allowed. It's all just a different yet familiar thing, meant to be enjoyed in the moment and not compared. It's improvisational music designed to be continually reinvented.

First off, can we stop with the "fake Jerry" nonsense? If musicians over the years hadn't emulated other musicians can you imagine how boring music would be? This ain't Beatlemania we're talking about.

I have nothing against John K, he seems like a nice guy whom I'd like to have a beer with. He's also a competent musician and vocalist, and you can tell he knows he's under a microscope. He's not resting on any laurels that's for sure.

Since Jerry is no longer with us, what is the alternative, just retire the ol' song book and listen to tapes?

I found your analysis of '91 to '12 interesting, and you certainly get props for the effort.


91 marked 10 years of being on the bus. Think I saw a half dozen shows culminating with the Bill Graham memorial in GG park. That show was memorable for a lot of things, but the Dead's performance was not one of them imho. To think I'd always dreamed of seeing them there, and it just goes to show the venue is no guarantee of a great show. This gig was broadcast on local radio, so the Dead played a radio friendly set list, but I digress.

As far as '91 vs. '12 or '11 or '10 I will say this: I have had more enjoyment seeing Furthur on a few occasions then just about any show I saw in '91. My first Furthur show in 2010 is a good case in point. There are probably 50 Dead shows I saw that were better than any Furthur show, and a few Furthur shows that were better than some Dead shows. Watching Jerry on one of his off nights was a serious bummer, as we all know. I think John and the rest of the group are doing their best to not have any off nights.

"go hate elsewhere" when previously stating Ratdog sucked in comparison to Furthur?

I mean, I find them both to be different, musically. And in that same sense, they are both musically satisfying.

patchmyfurthur wrote:


First and foremost, thank you Ed for the comparison to the two runs, many interesting points raised and statistics presented, it is kinda hard to compare 2 bands with mostly different players in a world 20 years removed from 1991
2nd, I think ratdog was a good outlet for Bobby to continue his musical journey in a band that he headlined and also was an absolutely wonderful scene to keep the spirit of the grateful dead continuing and evolving to the band Bobby is leading today. Comparing JK to Jerry is like comparing Derek Jeter to Mickey Mantle, both were or are supreme contributors to their team's or band's success, but bring different talents to the table however you wish to interpret it. I do believe Ratdog's popularity was due to the fact that they were one of the only regularly touring bands where our community could continue to thrive and keep the spirit of the music alive. Musically, I have said from day one that Phil brings credibility to this band that Bobby couldn't attain when it was just him leading his band, just my opinion, but Furthur blows the roof off Ratdog in terms of the powerful "moments" they consistently produce. This is a journey, let's enjoy the ride.

Didn't see the BEACON run so maybe I'm not in a position to be truly impartial. While I love Furthur, that GD MSG 91 run was excellent! It would have been no contest IMHO weren't it not for one Vincent Welnick (may he RIP).

I will not allow this board to be reduced to the lowest common denominator with childish name-calling and personal attacks. I am sure that Not Sure is a DB. Now go to your room.