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Jack_Straw
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Posts:22

Re: Furthur needs a new FOH guy.

#8761 3 years ago
Sorry to harsh your mellow kind veggie rainbow sister but being a disciple of Dan Healy and Betty Boards I just couldn't contain my dissatisfaction anymore.

The sound prolly is great at the board but the every where else it is POOR, PISS POOR.

And the GD was always fanatical about bringing the best listening experience to their audiences.


Signed

Just another picky deadhead whose searching for the SOUND





ruby_claire wrote:
Damn, dude. sorry that your listening experience was less than stellar.

Even the best sound guys (or whatever) have bad days. I know how much it sucks to think that the performers sounded great, but that the person responsible for translating that to the audience has fucked up.

I have a kid who is a musician, and I have personally throttled a few dick sound guys for what I believed was intentional meddling with sound quality.

That being said, the Furthur shows I've seen recently have sounded phenomenal to me.

Perhaps perception is truly responsible for your negativbe response. I'm not saying for sure, just asking you to maybe consider it in there with all the other variables.

That's not to take away from the fact that you had a bad experience. I feel for you. Nobody likes to be looking forward to something and have it turn out other than they had hoped.

I just really hope you give it another shot and it turns out to be all that you'd dreamed it would be. : )))
cut his buddy down
Cornjulio
Junior Boarder
Posts:130

Re: Furthur needs a new FOH guy.

#8772 3 years ago
I could see how you might feel the sound is too loud if you happen to be directly in front of the speakers. Part of the problem may be they just don't have enough of the them to cover the larger rooms for the last week of the tour, so the ones they have need to be turned up.

Again, I just don't seem to be a fan of the new arrays where the speakers facing the floor (ever so slightly pointed out from Center) and the second set pointed at about a 45 degree angle. Yes, the sound at the worst seats is better. I'm sure they've figured out how to stop waves from conflicting with each other, but the sound isn't where it should be and has been in years gone by.

The Phish sound has also taken a turn for the worse since Paul left and they started using db speakers.

Meanwhile Waters and U2 sounded phenomenal in rather large places. They were using these guys from Penn. Might be worth a try for an east coast run:

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lookatitright
Junior Boarder
Posts:27

Re: Furthur needs a new FOH guy.

#8800 3 years ago
"Part of the problem may be they just don't have enough of the them to cover the larger rooms for the last week of the tour, so the ones they have need to be turned up."

That could be and goes back to starting Furthur in small rooms as no frills act-as opposed to the bloated TD 09, which I believe Bob and Phil were trying to get away from.

Even at red rocks leaning on the soundboard, the sound was good, but not great as you would expect in that location. Furthur is playing the big rooms now and is no longer low budget. Time to get the right amount of speakers, right quality, and get Featherstone involved in working the room. This band is on a roll and it should be captured commensurate with the playing.
spinneresque108
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Posts:71

Re: Furthur needs a new FOH guy.

#8849 3 years ago
Agree about Red Rocks. I was right next to the soundboard and the sound was not as great as you would expect (especially given how close we were), in fact it was much better in the tapers section behind the soundboard. What I found bizarre about this was how close together these two spots were, and how much difference there was in the sound between them. (At this point I figured the tapers with 6-10' stands would capture the shows much better than the soundboards did, and this proved to be true.) At some point over the weekend I walked all around Red Rocks and was pretty shocked at how poorly the sound was carried throughout the venue.

That said, I had an amazing time! And I love Red Rocks. And the sound there can be unique and spectacular.

The one great sound experience I've had at these shows was at MSG when we were directly across from the Phil side suspended speaker array. RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE SPEAKERS. Move just a bit a way from a sweet spot and the difference is vast.

I'm really glad this discussion is going on...
jbyerly
Junior Boarder
Posts:40

Re: Furthur needs a new FOH guy.

#8945 3 years ago
Thinking about it, I did not find the vocals too loud but not always clear. I LOVED the mix on "Because", but no real complicated background to that. I could not always here Bobs guitar but it might be how Bob likes it mixed. The drums sounded the best I have heard out of any concert in years except maybe the mid 80's Maine shows.

great thread. I hope someone with a real input reads this thread with a grain salt knowing that we only want to SEE & HEAR THE BEST and thats why were there so much and were not actually stalking them

I always loved going Worcester, Ma because Jerry's vocals were always crisp & clear in that arena.
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bokb
Senior Boarder
Posts:347
Be, okay? Be.

Re: Furthur needs a new FOH guy.

#8998 3 years ago
Yeah man, agreed. Frankly, I am sooooo grateful this band is here, that Phil is still here still rockin, and that Bobby seems so kick-started enthusiastic again! Soooo grateful that I can and will overlook forgotten lyrics, occasional sloppiness, etc. cuz "this may be the last time" ain't just a song lyric!
But dammit, I paid hard-won $$$ to travel and attend, and it'd be really f***ing nice to hear all the musicians. 3 shows I did, and all of 'em I had to wait for after the show, listening to the cd, to hear what Chimenti had been up to all that time. Phil's legendary tone was but a drone through all 3 shows, JK could've been using a little amp on the stage for all I know. Only Bobby was clear; crystal clear, up front above everyone including Russo, every scrape of the string was pristine. O-kay....
Fortunately, my ears were trained long ago by 8th gen. aud. tapes recorded on walkmans, so I can discern a great deal.
'Course that only cost me a blank and a stamp at worst......
If unable to dance, I'll crawl.
ScarletFire
Junior Boarder
Posts:87

Re: Furthur needs a new FOH guy.

#9088 3 years ago
@Jack_Straw "Sorry to harsh your mellow kind veggie rainbow sister"

Hey now brother you're speaking to my people
GreatestStoryEverTold
Expert Boarder
Posts:777

Re: Furthur needs a new FOH guy.

#9122 3 years ago
Mabye the band will take our constructive criticisms and beef up the gear for the summer tour. poss they rolled with a smaller setup for this tour.
lookatitright
Junior Boarder
Posts:27

Re: Furthur needs a new FOH guy.

#9207 3 years ago
Agreed--hopefully tptb will take this constructive criticism and take some action. The GD clearly cared about the deadhead experience, which included the sound.

I really believe Furthur wanted to start small and not be encumbered with the sucessor to the GD trappings-big rooms, media etc, and that explains the sound quality. They are now beyond that and they should embrace it. They know the ticket count they will yield and the numbers do pencil out. Here's hoping shoreline shows a new dedication to the sound.
lookatitright
Junior Boarder
Posts:27

Re: Furthur needs a new FOH guy.

#9706 3 years ago
Needs a bump.
decree
Junior Boarder
Posts:42

Re: Furthur needs a new FOH guy.

#9812 3 years ago
Have to agree with this thread.

Hampton sound was very noisy, seemed as if they tried to compensate with volume, which just added to the noise. Best sound I got all night was old fashioned noise reduction, fingers in the ears lightly, with hands cupped to increase the ear surface area.

The boards for Hampton are really good, IMHO, and definitely far better than the in house sound.

Charleston was OK, we were center floor FOB slightly left of board and it was pretty good, though I did do a lot of ear cupping for that show.

Atlanta, we were in row L, Center Left Orchestra inside aisle, John's side, and the sound was really good there, best of the three. Of course, that's a small room with a lot of sound deadening/management going on, so should have been the easiest to get right of the three I attended.

Hope they get this fixed for Summer Tour.
OtherOne
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Posts:228

Re: Furthur needs a new FOH guy.

#9826 3 years ago
lookatitright wrote:
Agreed--hopefully tptb will take this constructive criticism and take some action. The GD clearly cared about the deadhead experience, which included the sound.

I really believe Furthur wanted to start small and not be encumbered with the sucessor to the GD trappings-big rooms, media etc, and that explains the sound quality. They are now beyond that and they should embrace it. They know the ticket count they will yield and the numbers do pencil out. Here's hoping shoreline shows a new dedication to the sound.



There's 1 thing I can promise you. The sound at Shoreline will be miserable as always, although I can hope Furthur does something to address this (noise laws in mountain view I believe keep the levels down) My hometown venue and I can't stand it. Sound is muddled in the pavillion and non existent on the lawn, made sure to get tickets in the 100 section so I can hear the band. I will never, ever sit on that lawn again. The place is litterally a dump
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