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Okie
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Re: Phil/Jill - any chance of honoring Joseph Kimutis?

#7708 3 years, 4 months ago
With all due respect, after hearing the comments of his friend his family should have admitted him to a hospital instead of taking him to a concert.

RIP Dude.
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Re: Phil/Jill - any chance of honoring Joseph Kimutis?

#7710 3 years, 4 months ago
With all due respect, I think it's pretty weak to be taking shots at the family right now. So easy for someone else to say, so easy to judge. Friends and family will think about this the rest of their lives...do you even get that one bit? Give them some space and respect, now's not the time.

How could anyone besides those involved know what may have been best? Does anyone find the very emotional plea of someone who just lost their friend a topic for analysis? Cripes
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Bilbo
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Re: Phil/Jill - any chance of honoring Joseph Kimutis?

#7713 3 years, 4 months ago
I remember that the Grateful Dead honored a brother that was killed when a roof collapsed after a show during a storm in St. Louis in like 94. They played He's gone the next night and the crowd cheered because they all had heard about it and thought it sweet to honor a brother. Just sayin'....
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Okie
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Re: Phil/Jill - any chance of honoring Joseph Kimutis?

#7714 3 years, 4 months ago
I am a father...and with all due respect if my kid was as mentally and medically fucked up as his friend says he was the last place I would have taken him to was a concert where the environment is unstable...especially if he was unstable himself. I can think of all kinds of better places for him to be if he was indeed in such of an unstable frame of mind. Don't get me wrong, I see this story in a whole new light but I still stand by my comments. The kid dove through a window and sober or not that is a selfish, foolish thing to do and if he was so out of his mind before he went there and his friends and family knew he was already in a bad place then obviously that is the last place he needed to be...so be it though, that is where he ended up in his state of mind....and look what happened....now everyone involved, the witnesses, the venue, the cops, the band, his family and friends they all have to live with that....this could have been prevented very easily....this kid did not belong at that concert.
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Re: Phil/Jill - any chance of honoring Joseph Kimutis?

#7715 3 years, 4 months ago
I was at that show, it was 95. Terrible accident, there was also an unfortunate OD at the same campground.
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Re: Phil/Jill - any chance of honoring Joseph Kimutis?

#7717 3 years, 4 months ago
You know it's true....everyone needs to be alert to the fact that someone may not be able to handle a situation. If the person is not up to a crowd scene, they may need some down-time. It comes down to self- sacrifice sometimes. We all know the feeling of having to miss a show for some reason, even though we REALLY want to go. It can be tough.
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Re: Phil/Jill - any chance of honoring Joseph Kimutis?

#7718 3 years, 4 months ago
All we know is what has been reported, very little, really. JC's account does let us know Joey was in a very rough place but who really knows the answer to what he needed, the cure? Oh, the wonderful care they give the mentally ill here in the good ole USA. American docs know how to give drugs and that's it. Maybe Joey's friends and family truly thought his favorite band would give him the lift he needed. They obviously thought they were doing a positive thing.

They will 2nd guess that choice the rest of their lives, I just don't think it's your or my place, especially right now, to make that call in hindsight. We should learn form mistakes, sure but let's be a little kind and give some benefit of doubt before knowing all the facts...there's plenty of time for that later, now these people are really grieving.
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Re: Phil/Jill - any chance of honoring Joseph Kimutis?

#7723 3 years, 4 months ago
We all need to own our shit. We all "F" up from time to time. In the olden days, people fell through floors from too much "Truckin'....did not die. These are strange times people. We need to be on high alert to situations such as this.
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Re: Phil/Jill - any chance of honoring Joseph Kimutis?

#7725 3 years, 4 months ago
We need to be alert and people snapping at shows is nothing new, sure..it's the degree of this particular incident and this attitude that something should have been known beforehand that is odd to me...it sounds judgmental to an unfair degree to me

I agree we all need to look after each other, I've definitely been there for others, have some stories, I tells ya..

But I hope no friend tries to stop me from going to a show because I'm having a rough time...I mean cmon, look around at a show, we are by nature an emotional, passionate group letting loose..where do you know to draw the line?
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Re: Phil/Jill - any chance of honoring Joseph Kimutis?

#7732 3 years, 4 months ago
People snapping in life is nothing new. I've lost a number of friends to mental illness over the years. Some of the brightest most creative people I've ever known. The common denominator I've felt in these experiences is a sense of helplessness. I've wanted to do something to try to turn things around but every time it's impossible to really get through to them.
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Re: Phil/Jill - any chance of honoring Joseph Kimutis?

#7757 3 years, 4 months ago
JCSmith312 wrote:
You know some of you people are just straight fucking ASSHOLES! I knew Joey & he was MY friend. It's so easy 2talk shit on people u don't know because none of you have lost him. HE WASN'T ON DRUGS & HE DiDN'T DRiNK. So for everyone running they're mouth & ASSuming things..u can shut the fuck up & stop now. K? Thanxx. Joe had been thru a lot this past yr. He lost his best friend 5wks ago in a car accident, 3mos ago he lost 2aunts 4days apart & then he finds out the girl he used to be engaged too, has been taken off life support after almost 6mos of struggling. He had been going thru TONS of shit at home w.his parents [one is also very very sick] & he had the opportunity 2go 2this concert. He LOVED Furthur..seriously. All he did was listen to Furthur, never had any other cd's or anything. He was actually thinking about getting a tattoo to honor them. He had all types of shirts & hoodies made w.Furthur on them lol..he even got some of his friends into them as well. When we found out they were coming 2PGH we knew we had 2get him tickets. He was so excited & then everything in his life started going downhill. He was saving money 2get the tickets & everything. One day we went 2 a pizza shop, and uknow how they have the "Donate a dollar to save Sally's life" cups? He took out this paper bag & put it in the jar. All his money he had saved up. He didnt eat anymore, he was just walking around like a zombie. He's a diabetic & wasnt taking care of himself..and anyone who knows anything about Diabetic's, knows that when they're body starts acting up..they can do CRAZY things. A friend & I dragged him 2the dr's where he refused 2talk 2them & tell them anything. He had severe depression & wldnt even get out of bed. We got him the tickets, thinking he wld take this girl that lived a few houses down..but he didnt even care. Not even a smile. His dad tried over & over again 2get him out of bed & help him feel better but nothing worked. The night of the concert he agreed 2go 2the concert w.his dad if we stopped nagging him [we sang jingle bells for 2hrs straight]. I got a call from him a few hrs later & he thanked me & told me he loved me & appreciated everything we've done 4him. But nothing would make him alive again. He said that his soul had died & he was a walking shell. He started talking crazy then..he didnt remember who he was talking 2. I knew he was going into diabetic shock & acting crazy. He hung up on me & next thing I find out I lost one of my best friends. Joey was one of the sweetest ppl ive ever met. I lost 12ppl in the last 2yrs..and every one of them have impacted me. But losing Joey really hurt. He was my sons godfather. So b4 u sit here & talk shit on someone u know NOTHiNG about. Remember that he was someones SON, BROTHER, GODFATHER, UNCLE. Remember that HiS family & friends are MOURNiNG THE LOSS OF A LOVED ONE. Show respect. If this was your father or brother you would feel the same way!



So basically you forced a medically unstable and emotionally depressed person to a concert where where they apparently have committed suicide?!?!?!

These are YOUR words, sounds like ha had no interest in going to this or ANY event, but he was seemingly FORCED to go by his friends and family....

This kid needed MEDICAL SUPERVISION AND CARE AT A FACILITY, NOT A FURTHUR CONCERT!

And if the Toxicological Report says anything but 100% Sober, tons of questions need to be raised...Remember, you said your friend did no drugs or drink anything that night...

This is a Tragedy anyway you look at it, but according to this story of yours, this could have ALL BEEN PREVENTED BY HIS FRIENDS AND FAMILY...He should have never been there in the first place...
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Re: Phil/Jill - any chance of honoring Joseph Kimutis?

#7761 3 years, 4 months ago
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