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Walk in the Sunshine
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Milk Cow Blues

#47660 2 years, 8 months ago
Must see TV .....smith with Nugent... I know Teds a jerk but he can play. This will get ya up and yer blood flowin this mornin/afternoon..........................rock on

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SunshineSue
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Re: Milk Cow Blues

#47669 2 years, 8 months ago
It's not like I don't enjoy cranking up Get your Wings on occasion, but after hearing even a few bars of Nugent, I'm now going to have to go listen to all of Reckoning to recover! ; )
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Re: Milk Cow Blues

#47725 2 years, 8 months ago
In my high school years as I already stated before, Aerosmith was top dog for my age group, IMO. However, it was still Led Zep that was THE very top band in the world in the middle 70s - with kids older than me being the larger part of their young fans.

Also, a big rival to Aerosmith in 1974, 1975 and 1976 in my Mid Atlantic, blue collar-white-kid-but-integrated high school in those years was the original Lynyrd Skynyrd band with Ronnie Van Zant fronting (He was Skynyrd, BTW). Trailing in the battle for affection of the kids, but not all that far too far back, especially for teen boys, was Ted Nugent - IMO.

I first got familiar with Ted in 1974 when he was still an Amboy Duke (Journey to the Center of Your Mind) was a late 60's hit for them. Well, their 1974 record titled 'Tooth Fang Claw' had two big rock and roll numbers which Ted carried forward - 'Great White Buffalo' and 'Hibernation'.

But, in 1975, Ted got rid of the Amboys and went 'solo'. That year he released the self titled 'Ted Nugent' album. This was a huge rock and roll record of the day. It has many Nugent standards such as 'Stranglehold', 'Storm Troopin' ', 'Just What the Doctor Ordered', 'Snake Skin Cowboy', 'Motor City Madhouse', and more. It is hard to overstate just how big this record was to high school rocker boys of my age. Problem for Ted Nugent was that the group had other great musicians besides JUST Ted which eventually drove Ted Nugent to distraction. Ted needed all of the attention.

Drummer Cliff Davies, guitarist and bluesy rock and roll singer Derick St. Holmes with bass player Rob Grange made a powerful band with Ted that then went on to release 'Free For All' in 1976 and then the huge 'Cat Scratch Fever' in 1977.

Ted was already having furthur ego problems by 1976 and Derek left during the recording of Free For All with - replaced - believe it or not - by Meatloaf on some of the songs on the album ("Writing on the Wall').

I happened to see this Ted Nugent band once in 1976, twice in 1977 and twice in 1978. The last time I saw Ted in the '70s was at the old Capital Centre in Landover the night of August 12, 1978. Opening for Ted that night was Van Halen in their very first DC area appearance.

* This is where I place my edit. I should have added that it was my opinion and that of many other attendees at the concert that Van Halen stole the show from Ted Nugent this night. I have a WGTB, Georgetown University Public Radio recording from late overnight that night with callers to the station sharing their impressions of the night's concert. They all agreed Van Halen overshadowed Ted.

Well, the point of this story also really coincides with what I see as the beginning of the end of Ted Nugent's most popular period and that occurred in part on that last night in August 1978. By then, 'Double Live Gonzo' had had already been recorded with both Derek and Rob. However, after the recording, Ted Nugent forcedboth Derek and Rob from the band. Nothing was ever the same after that, IMO

Ted's next release, without those guys, was 'Weekend Warriors'. 'Weekend Warriors' was, IMO, a far, far cry from his previous work. Charlie Huhn is the guy that Ted got to replace Derek. Charlie plays guitar fine, but didn't/doesn't have near the soulful voice. The Ted Nugent recordings continued to decline from there on - IMO.

I just saw Charlie singing three weeks ago out front of Foghat, who as a band is now reduced to playing the Coconut Creek Casino in Florida. Sad. I loved Foghat, another blues-based 1970s rock and roll band. Not Metal. Some don't get it.

BTW, I think the biggest show I ever saw was at RFK Stadium on May 30, 1976. Playing in this order of appearance was Ted Nugent, Nazareth, Lynyrd SKynyrd, and Aerosmith.

I later saw Aerosmith and Ted Nugent one other time which I expected would be the final time I ever saw either of them (it was after 'Done With Mirrors', before 'Permanent Vacation', on March 8, 1987, my best bud's 30th Birthday!

Anyway, Ted's best period was in the 1970s in my opinion. I hear he is presently touring with Derek but isn't coming to Florida. I'd like Ted Nugent a lot more if he would just shut up and play the guitar!
Last Edit: 2 years, 8 months ago by StuartSlate. Reason: Furthur detail
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Re: Milk Cow Blues

#47729 2 years, 8 months ago
intothesun
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Re: Milk Cow Blues

#47731 2 years, 8 months ago


I didnt grow up in the 70's, I was born in Dec. 1978
and i was only a kid during the 80's.
But I personally like Aerosmith material from the 80's better than the 70's.
Same thing goes for Van Halen. Most people like thier stuff from the late 70's with David Lee Roth, but I love Sammy and the great stuff they did in the 80's.
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Re: Milk Cow Blues

#47828 2 years, 8 months ago
intothesun wrote:


I didnt grow up in the 70's, I was born in Dec. 1978
and i was only a kid during the 80's.
But I personally like Aerosmith material from the 80's better than the 70's.
Same thing goes for Van Halen. Most people like thier stuff from the late 70's with David Lee Roth, but I love Sammy and the great stuff they did in the 80's.


oooh, Aerosmith's 70s music kicks ass, they had that Boston attitude and the riffs were downright rocking, I can't stand their 80s stuff and nowadays with American Idol, I lost all respect for Steven Tyler.
Hagar had some good stuff too, but I really like when Eddie Van Halen was at the top of his game with Roth.
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Re: Milk Cow Blues

#47872 2 years, 8 months ago
I realize that most here don't give a flying leap about this topic. However, if there is room for a 'camel toed chicken having sex at a show' thread, then there should be room for this thread which is also not Furthur or Grateful Dead related...

captaintony wrote:
...and nowadays with American Idol, I lost all respect for Steven Tyler...


I can't say that I fault you for that. By his actions, Tyler sure does make it hard to remain a fan of his and the band sometimes. My solution about American Idol is that I continue to ignore it just as I always have. in fact, I have never seen ANY of that program with or without Steven Tyler on it.

As for Aerosmith, now that they have opened the can of worms which include such songs as 'Angel', and 'I Don't Want to Miss a Thing' (the last one their only career- long number 1 single), it is hard to put the genie back in the bottle.

Indeed, some Steven Tyler hens (especially) go to the show ONLY to hear 'I Don't Want to Miss a Thing', and the like. If it isn't played live in concert these new generation fans go home unhappy. So, there is no going back now looks like.

Some good news is that it appears that they have at least one more record in them which they are working on right now with their 1970s producer Jack Douglas. Jack produced 'Get Your Wings', 'Toys in the Attic', 'Rocks' and 'Draw the Line' for Aerosmith. Long time fans are again excited about the potential for them to make one more great rock and roll record - maybe sort of a Rocks II to finish off their recording career. Anyway, here is a riff from what they are presently working on in studio right now.

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