gr8ful bruin wrote:
It is not hard just phase in a 2.7% tax increase for social security over the next 20 years. The thing to remember is that the right has been actively working to keep the economy from a strong recovery to keep obama from any chance of success.
People like my uncle who is a one man plumbing contractor and the notion that it is no big deal if he has to work until he is 67,68, 69 don't realize how difficult it will be for him to work until 65 let alone longer. Try crawling under houses every day and let me know how it goes. Social security is something to be proud of, Americans decided that people dying of hunger and lack of care is something we are certainly better than.
This ayn rand mad max society being advocated by the right is emphatically anti-humanity and un-american. Oh and the deficit has been going down for the last three years. Oh and if the republicans had helped make Obama care better(considering it was a republican plan) the deficit and minimum level of quality of life in america would be increased
I dont want any tax hike no matter what the rate as when you apply all the different taxes on americans all said and done and about 55% is the tax rate now. the idea conservatives are sabotaging economic recovery is pretty naive I think, the stock market is reaching record highs and economic interests are the interest of conservatives (and all they care about from what most people say).
The people that worked for social security should get it and im sure they will. that being said theirs no way around the demographic shifts happening in america, and in general as people are living longer in general and much longer for periods when they can no longer work. The simplest solution is to slowly start phasing the program out over many years and start letting people keep more of their paychecks to save how they see fit. the gov giving you back money you worked for is nothing to be that proud of. and just as a note paying a tax is not the moral equivalent of charity or deciding to give, charity is a voluntary act, not doing something that is otherwise punishable by law.
and be careful before you get to talking about america as some moral beacon of human virtue because that is a pile of shit that the state wrote and keeps alive to cultivate nationalism. is killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan not "anti-humanity"? or holding prisoners without trail or who have been granted release in guantanamo bay forever, is that not inhumane? is using drones on other americans not "un-american"? americans are so full of our ourselves its amazing, we think we embody freedom when we incarcerate more people than authoritarian regimes or anyone. the gov talk about self determination for all and then does whatever it wants as interventionists and preemptive war makers. we have high stratification, low voter turn out, lots of people dependent on the government financially, large national and per capita debt, and a great many other traits that dont point to good democracy or enlightened society. before you start talking what is american or unamerican you think about if thats really where you want to go because the history of america might not meet your moral standards.
The last paragraph is mainly true and almost completely the fault of the right. Seriously look through that list and see who started most of that shit.
But most importantly a considerate number of old people would go hungry and and live in wrenching poverty. Is this american. What about the disabled? And this idea that if you give people thei money upfront is the perfect example of Ayn Rand your all on your own mentality. What happens to the people who have a disabled child do you really think people facing extreme finicial distress in the present will be able to save that 5% tax rebate. Maybe some but not all so what happens then. Or if they got wiped out by the bankers or got sick. What Then!!!! People starve in their old age, they work till they collapse. Social Security is an Insurance program not a savings program. Somebody slips on your property and you lose everything?
Seriously WHAT THEN
Also this one I know will drive you crazy but their is an incredible amount of evidence that individuals are not very good at making decisions that are in their own interests, People are not the rational actors they believe themselves to be. Little things like having an opt out system for 401k plans as opposed to an opt in see dramatic increases in participation. Plus almost no one pays 55% THE VAST MAJORITY WHO ARE IN THE HIGHER TAX RATES PAY far less through deductions. And yes if that means that taxes have to go up then so be it, or Do you seriously think that starving old people is american or morally just.
Also I believe you may be what is called a just world type
Well it is not, shit happens to good people as well as bad.
And taxes are the lowest they have been in 50+ years.