The point i was trying to make was there are people who love to spread fear about something that didnt work out just like they planned. Its a built in defensive mechanism. And often it injures ones ability to become more knowledgeable and find better understanding of themselves and those around that person.
Please dont take this as judgment merely observation.

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I'm not entirely certain of your point.

To be clear, I am not approaching this conversation based on a negative experience with L or a bad life situation.

And sorry, the anecdotes and other items mentioned here by others don't qualify as facts.

I don't doubt for a second that many people here have taken L or shrooms or other stuff on multiple, consecutive occasions and suffered no ill side effects. I don't doubt that having clean product is key.

And I still think that doing clean L on multiple, consecutive occasions is risky and it's not something I'd ever want for myself or my kids. That doesn't make me right and I'm not trying to win the internet here.[/quote]

Daryyl you are going to have to offer some sort of data to back up your statement other wise it is just an ill informed opinion. You are correct that no one here has offered anything other than anecdotal evidence but there are no official places to gather data on the negative impacts of multiple doses in a row other than the people who know lots of folks who have done it and are fine. Again, why are you claiming that it is risky? What is your opinion based on? You have to qualify your opinion or else it has no weight.

Negative impacts from my prospective are drain of nutrients compounded each time within a week and also i am diabetic and i have found that my glucose levels are effected but in a positive way.
It can cause digestive issues for myself like cramps etc. also tends to make the body temperature run above normal but sweating is how the body reacts to foreign substances. much like food poisoning

Burt, just be thankful that the rough couple years are behind you, and that you've moved on. Keep an open mind, there's always a chance that later in life you'll want to re-visit previous avenues of your life.

If you really decide to stop going to shows, I'm glad to have met you on your last Furthur run. If not, I'll save a sober seat for you next to me

This thread is hilarious -- first off way back -- W lewis do your thing man--- as someone said I think "maybe you had to much to fast" applies. I love ice cream, But keep eating it your belly hurts and you get fat. As far as east vs west.... nothing compares to east coast energy.. I still think the Spectrum consistently had the most amped crowds anywhere... EVERY SHOW.. I attended numerous MSG shows and on some nights it could exceed the Spectrum ... but other nights not so much.. I think due partially to the length of runs there.....that said if truth be told I admit I always dreamed of moving to the bay area a long time ago... you did it at the right age..after your mid 20's or so it becomes inearly impossible as family, job, kids (see real life responsibilities) come into play.

As far as "dosing" all I can say is my 1st experience I was 14 in 1979....and hardcore 100's if not higher adventures. Managed to graduate from a major university (it took five yrs but it wasn't the L it was it was hard to pass a test when you are 1000 miles away at a gd show)...have had 2 children who are both academically and athletically very very successful...and had a very successful career. Truth be told...alcohol had way way way more detrimental affects on my life. Actually dosing has had 0 negative affects .... except for my one bad "trip"...... Finally I'll add just for scientific LOL affect I "dosed" or tried to at every GD and post GD show I ever attended.... well I tried to twice but failed as I got burnt with bunk. This is 100's of shows. "We will survive"

I got nothing "formal" to add so feel free to ascribe no weight to my opinion. It bothers me not.

DarrylStingley wrote:


Like you said, it's just your opinion, which you are entitled to. Seems like there are many here that disagree with your opinion.
If one person disagrees with you, then it's a matter of difference of opinion. When ALMOST EVERYBODY disagrees with you, then it's usually something else.

Since you have nothing "formal" to add, I guess we won't hear from you anymore regarding this topic. You seem like a decent and well spoken fellow. I hope to hear other opinions of yours. Some I might actually agree with. This is a tough crowd. be prepared to back up your opinions in the future.

deadegad wrote:



Hadn't thought of that....

I actually know someone who was a semi Dead head that tried that once. His buddy who drove the armored car wound up
confessing and when the cops showed up at the house of the guy I knew he told the cops he'd been at the bank as his alibi. One of the cops said "I'm guessing to make a very large withdrawl"?

I enjoyed reading this a few years back and thought others might too. It seems mostly accurate and hopefully can enlighten some to what this band has always been about...

"I will discuss LSD crystal and what happens with it. This info is from my experiences a long time ago.I can safely offer it because I have retired from this line of work and stay far away from it.

First I will briefly discuss the people or family as there called so you can get an appreciation for what they do and have done. The family is motivated to spread LSD because we believe that LSD is a key givin to us from above. LSD was givin to man from god to help him see the error of his ways. Why do you think it was discovered during the most horrible time in history. It is the antidote for the atomic bomb. It`s doesn`t matter if you beleive this or not ,because what i`m trying to express is how deeply important the family feels about the sacred value of LSD. Those who are at the upper level`s of the family will gladly sacrifice there lifes and freedom to do this work.

OK now down to the crystal. I have little knowlege about LSD manufacture so i`m going to talk about the final product the crystal. On tour crystal came in brown glass bottles with 1-10 grams in them. The bottles were sealed and contained CO2 and crystal. You can`t just buy crystal from family. First you have to be taught how to lay it ,which i`ll cover in a little bit. Also you have to do a thumbprint(eat it) there are no exeptions to this rule.The reason is to make sure your Karma is clean enough to handle this sacred work.



TYPES OF CRYSTAL

Needlepoint -very pure(95%) white powerdery crystal,was available in small amount`s. The best of the best

White Fluff -Very pure(95%) white light flakes of crystal. Still around and the most sought after. very pure

Silver -Good and clean(85-90%)-light greyish crystal. Was an unbelievable amount of this around in the late eighty`s and early nineties. Very good stuff. My first thumbprint was this kind. If you ate acid in the 80-90`s you probably sampled some silver.

Amber -Decent(70%?) This crystal varied from a light amber color to an almost dark brown color.Was always available.One batch called quadricept amber was the color of light honey and was very good.Lot`s a people worked with this crystal but I always would use silver instead since it was better and the same price.

Lavender -(60-70%?) light purple to almost black colored crystal. Like amber it varied batch to batch.

TJ (tornado juice) - purity unknown. I seen this shit in about four different colors and it always scared me. No experiance with it.

Champagne -(50-60%) black crystal, nasty stuff IMHO. I worked with it once and swore to never touch it again.

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OK so you got some crystal and need to get it on blotter. It`s a pretty amazing feeling holding a jar in your hands that has 10 grams of crystal in it. That`s 100,000 doses in the palm of your hand. For dealing with laying we`ll say we got 1 gram. Acid is always layed 1 gram=10 tenpacks. A tenpack is tensheets. 1gram=10,000doses. If your laying needlpoint your doses will be 95mcg, because your crystal is 95% pure. If your laying amber your shit will be 70mcg, because it`s 70% pure. got it

Now you get a glass pyrex pan to dip your tenpacks in. Your crystal is dissovled into 110ml. of everclear per gram.The purer crystals dissolve instantly with a little stirring. The not so pure take a little shaking. Champange is damn near impossible to get to dissolve evenly.

Paper-for white blotter standard watercolor paper#14 or equivalent is used. It`s critical you get the right paper. If you don`t it won`t absorb right and you`ll fuck it all up.Print`s are made up ahead of time and perferated.

OK so you got your crystal dissolved and your paper cut and ready. There are 2 schools when it comes to putting it on the paper. First dump the solution in the pan and dip each tenpack into it then lift it up and let any excess solution run off into the pan. Second method is to put the tenpack into the pan and squirt the solution on it with a baby syringe(the ones they give little kids medicine with). I Have done both and prefer dipping them just because its quicker .Then the tenpacks are layed out to dry which doesn`t take long since alcohol evaporates quickly. If you did it right there will be very little residue left in the bottom of the pan.This redidue is extremely potent and is either soaked up with a piece of paper(called mop up) or made into potent liquid(called wash). Whatever you choose this is saved for your personal use. While your doing all this you get very,very high. As soon as you open the jar of crystal it intoxicates the air. Most people were rubber gloves when doing this some don`t. Just don`t have any plans afterwards.

There might be slightly different methods used when laying, but this is how the dead family does it. After the tenpacks are dryed there distibuted and eaten up. Since the end of the Grateful Dead the massive distribution network that used to get rid of so much acid has been broken up badly. Never fear Acid is still out there"

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"LSD is still around though it seems that a majority of the labs are inactive at the moment. This is normal as they don`t produce all the time. Most like the silver family only produce about every 5 years. Though they usually produce enough to last that long.

When the Grateful Dead toured massive amount`s of LSD were distributed around the country. On a typical east coast tour 100-150grams could easily be sold. Thats a million to a million and a half doses. This flooded these citys and the lsd trickled down to every nook and cranny of america. By the time it was dry again another tour would roll through the region and resupply it. Plus we would meet people on tour from certain area`s of the country and keep them supplied with the help of the good ole USPS.

Sadly when the dead stopped touring this network went into shambles. People fell out of touch and with no shows ,there wasn`t the marketplace for distibution.In turn parts of the country arn`t getting saturated anymore.



By the way the Kansas bust was not a family lab incase anybody is wondering. The point i`m trying to make is the family believes LSD has to move through the right hands. This is why you can`t go down to the corner and get a gram of crystal. sorry to ramble.

As some of the cooks retire i rest assure you that they pass there recipes and secret`s down to those chosen to continue to fight the good fight. I don`t think it will ever be as readily available all over the country as it once was due to the break up of the distribution cycle of tour. I could be wrong and hope i am.

Alot of old family have moved on and including myself retired, feeling we served our time. The family does hear your cry`s for more acid and they don`t plan on giving up on mankind. Now's a good time for labs to be inactive. the current government administration is viewed as a bad storm that needs to pass as Jerry sang....
"all good things in all good time" Keep the faith"

NobleGlassArt wrote:



It's no wonder this Burt fellow can go to so many shows. On this forum, just in the last few days, he's been offered medical and
psychological advice. This must save him hundreds if not thousands on medical and mental health professionals.

Now, I've been having this pain in my shoulder.........

Still Takin it Weirder wrote:


You know these events you speak of will be on your less than perfect attendance recordswww.furthur.net/components/com_kunena/te...s/emoticons/wink.png

OZA wrote:


Well said. The thought of people going to see any GD related band that use smack sickens me. It's an insult to the scene.