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funky420
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Re: Regarding women in combat

#235196 1 year, 7 months ago
Wheelman wrote:
funky420 wrote:
Wheelman wrote:
I never said that women dont belong in the military...
I never even implied that...


what do you mean by "traditional values"


well, it's been a tradition that women not serve in combat as long as I can remember...I dont remember hearing about any who were on Omaha Beach or Iwo Jima...


Really?????? Omaha Beach and Iwo Jima are the two references your gonna make? lmao
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Wheelman
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Re: Regarding women in combat

#235197 1 year, 7 months ago
funky420 wrote:

Why don't you reread my original post and get a grip of the real situation, these women are ALREADY serving in combat zones and getting shot at but are not receiving the hazard pay that men do for serving in a combat zone. You're "traditional values" are long gone.


Ohhhhhhh, ok..so because you typed something, I need to get a grip on the real situation...
(well since you typed it, THEN IT MUST BE TRUE)

It's a shame traditional values are eroding so fast, & you want to Champion that fact:
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Wheelman
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Re: Regarding women in combat

#235198 1 year, 7 months ago
funky420 wrote:

Really?????? Omaha Beach and Iwo Jima are the two references your gonna make? lmao


why? whats wrong with those examples?
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Re: Regarding women in combat

#235200 1 year, 7 months ago
www.defense.gov/home/faceofdefense/fod/2007-03/f20070301a.html


Woman Gunner Helps Protect Security Detachment



By Spc. Courtney Marulli
2nd Brigade Combat Team
2nd Infantry Division Public Affairs
FORWARD OPERATING BASE LOYALTY, Iraq, March 1, 2007 — Women throughout history have faced many barriers such as not being able to vote, get a secondary education, hold a government position or work in combat arms. But with time, many of these restrictions have crumbled because women are willing to go the extra mile.

One such woman is Pfc. Evelyn Williams of Temple Hills, Md., the only woman in the Personal Security Detachment for the command group of 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 2nd Infantry Division.

Her role isn't one of support, but rather one of combat, as Williams is a 7.62 mm machine gun operator. This role isn't something that surprised Williams, as she would have been a gunner if she had stayed with her military police company.

She sits in the turret of the lead vehicle and takes her position seriously. She must keep a sharp eye for snipers, grenade attacks, suicide bombers, and improvised explosive devices.

"Basically, I feel if something happened, I would be responsible because I am the eyes for all the vehicles," Williams said.

Even though she keeps a sharp eye and had safe ventures into sector, Williams still gets nervous when she goes on a mission because she knows it's her responsibility to keep everyone safe.

"If I don't see an IED or call it and it hits another vehicle, I would feel responsible," she said.

If her eye catches even the smallest thing that seems suspicious, she calls down to her noncommissioned officers, because it may be something serious. With the
abundance of litter and debris lining the sides of the roads

and alley ways, Williams said it can be difficult to notice a serious threat from regular garbage.

She is grateful for the support she has received from her team.

Fellow soldiers took her in as one of their own, Williams said. She hasn't had any problems being the only woman, and was accepted immediately.

"I enjoy being the only female," she said. "If I hear 'only female,' I feel special."

Although, Williams is manning a deadly weapon, going out of the wire also appeals to her softer side.

Seeing Iraqi youth while on patrol is her favorite part of leaving the wire, which she does on an almost daily basis. She also enjoys seeing the Iraqi people do their part to help such as clearing paths or helping direct people to the sides so the vehicles can go through.

Joining the Army was something Williams always wanted to do and choosing her job was natural, as she wanted to be a police officer in the civilian world. In college, she was taking college courses in criminal justice and passed the test to become a police officer.

However, she was required to wait six months while background checks were conducted, and that was just too long a wait, so she joined the Army.

Her desire to be in law enforcement stems from her desire to help children, stop domestic abuse, and combat drugs. She is also passionate about stopping people from drinking and driving.

Williams, who has been in the Army for 13 months, enjoys her work but looks forward to returning to her husband and two children.

"I have kids," she said. "They need me."
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Wheelman
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Re: Regarding women in combat

#235201 1 year, 7 months ago
yeah, I disapprove...

GOD forbid, these women serving in foward units ever get captured by enemy forces...
& the article is from 2007...by then, our military was simply policing Iraq...& wasnt fighting in battles with Iraqi forces...

female cops have guns too...hers just happened to be bigger, & more militarized...
she was also in armored vehicle, which gave her even more protection...
then say the Grunt on the ground, doing patrols with platoon...

she was probaly stationed at a market or checkpoint, or something like that...
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DrippingColors
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Re: Regarding women in combat

#235202 1 year, 7 months ago
This will be my last response to you, WM, as I don't converse with people who use profanity while discussing politics. I've never heard that Jessica Lynch was raped. I've never heard of ShortNews.com, either, but WorldNetDaily is the biggest piece of journalistic trash this side of FOX News. If you look at

www.google.com/search?q=was+jessica+lync...amp;client=firefox-a

you'll see it's hardly a settled issue. Regardless, it's irrelevant to the larger argument.
Your Reuters article proves my point, whether it's in this country or overseas, a female in the military is far more likely to get raped by her fellow soldier than an enemy combatant, and who are you to decide if that's a risk they should take? I'm sorry you're unable to discuss an important issue without personal attacks, which I don't condone.
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Wheelman
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Re: Regarding women in combat

#235204 1 year, 7 months ago
DrippingColors wrote:
This will be my last response to you, WM, as I don't converse with people who use profanity while discussing politics. I've never heard that Jessica Lynch was raped. I've never heard of ShortNews.com, either, but WorldNetDaily is the biggest piece of journalistic trash this side of FOX News. If you look at

www.google.com/search?q=was+jessica+lync...amp;client=firefox-a

you'll see it's hardly a settled issue. Regardless, it's irrelevant to the larger argument.
Your Reuters article proves my point, whether it's in this country or overseas, a female in the military is far more likely to get raped by her fellow soldier than an enemy combatant, and who are you to decide if that's a risk they should take? I'm sorry you're unable to discuss an important issue without personal attacks, which I don't condone.


I used profanity?

oh the use of "bullshit"....

personal attacks?

huh?
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Last Edit: 1 year, 7 months ago by Wheelman.
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Re: Regarding women in combat

#235205 1 year, 7 months ago
Wheelman wrote:
yeah, I disapprove...

GOD forbid, these women serving in foward units ever get captured by enemy forces...
& the article is from 2007...by then, our military was simply policing Iraq...& wasnt fighting in battles with Iraqi forces...

female cops have guns too...hers just happened to be bigger, & more militarized...
she was also in armored vehicle, which gave her even more protection...
then say the Grunt on the ground, doing patrols with platoon...

she was probaly stationed at a market or checkpoint, or something like that...
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gvanman
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Re: Regarding women in combat

#235208 1 year, 7 months ago
I was in the Navy when The whole Gulf War thing broke out. I was a Corpsmen, medic for those who don't know what that is, stationed with the Marines and sent to Kuwait when it started. I was working side by side with 3 females, doing the same job as me. The only difference was I was getting combat pay and they were not. Funky was right by saying that is the reason for this change. They deserve the pay because they are already doing the job. End of subject.
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Wheelman
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Re: Regarding women in combat

#235209 1 year, 7 months ago
gvanman wrote:
I was in the Navy when The whole Gulf War thing broke out. I was a Corpsmen, medic for those who don't know what that is, stationed with the Marines and sent to Kuwait when it started. I was working side by side with 3 females, doing the same job as me. The only difference was I was getting combat pay and they were not. Funky was right by saying that is the reason for this change. They deserve the pay because they are already doing the job. End of subject.

equal pay-scale was not the threads topic...

Thank you for your service, vanman...
but your service does not give you higher moral ground in this debate...

I believe in equal pay for equal work...

but that's not the issue...
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