Oh and btw, i assume you know exactly how much it costs Furthur to play one night at TXR right? I sure as shit dont. But i dont pretend to either. If you dont know what the production costs, musicians salaries and everything else cost, han you honestly have 0 validity in your argument. I dont have the first clue as to what it costs, but i dont care. Tickets cost X amount, either i go or i dont. TXR is in SF right. Well i live in Ga. Therefore someone in cali that doesnt have to buy a plane ticket should pay a lot more than me cuz i have to buy a plane ticket, rental car, hotel etc. right? Or should Bob n Phil buy my plane ticket and cover my costs over $150. Get the heck out of here. And you will say calm down brah, no need to be perturbed. Well im just an aggressive guy, i pkayed many sports, i still train in a few combat sports. Im sorry everybody isnt as mellow as you

Sugaree1 wrote:


Why does questioning have to equal trolling? That confuses me!!!!! I do not know the 'other one' you are referring to either. I am debating against your reasoning. That's what people do when they debate is it not? I am not trying to discredit anyone or anything man. Was I a troll when i would bitch about hearing Day Job again for an encore for the umpteenth time? Or when Little Red Rooster was played for the 1000x? Deadheads have bitched from the beginning man and still loved the band. This is nothing new here James. Here is my premise in a nutshell

The tickets should be less expensive in order to give more people an equal shot in attending. The whole fiber and fabric of the band historically was not about pure profit. In fact it was for us. They played for us James. They freaking jammed their hearts out for us for 50 freaking years!!!!! Never once did I ever think they were in it for the money or to make a living. Why? Because they never led one to believe that was their sole motivation. if the ticket prices continue to rise, I believe their is a chance of certain people who can afford to go, will give birth to some 'super heads'. When will it end? If it becomes 500 bucks a ticket, are you honestly telling me that is ok just because someone can afford it?Thee is my sensible answer in a nutshell.

23atwell wrote:


It is a shame, the cost of everything it seems is going up up up. Maybe it's always been so. Surfing and skateboarding are good clean fun and still a bargain/free, for now at least. That NorCal water can be a little on the chilly side. BBbbbbuurr. Skate parks look amazing though and it sure is great seeing all the little kids out there having fun outdoors. Seem like skating has gotten a little more family oriented and a healthier scene than it was.

On the ticket price issue I hit txr last may or so for a three day run (when they had the telstar thing on Sun.) for 75.00?/night, Do they not have those once in awhile anymore?

Shows this weekend thurs, friday, and sat are $65 and sundays only $35. Not bad for an intimate venue like TXR. Add in Ive seen Phil play for free 3Xs in the last week. You can have soon real great value music as long as you stay away from the bar or restaurant which can be difficult.

I did pay major dollars for the opening weekend of The Grate Room. And it was well worth it! I’d do it again if the shows were on a weekend that I could get there, even though I also have to pay to travel.

I agree that the intimacy is worth the price. And at TXR, if you go to a show early and hang out in the bar area and talk to people, by the time the show starts it feel s like you are dancing with a group of close friend. And they

It seems to me that the higher ticket price does change the composition of the crowd, for better or worse.

RowTimmy wrote:


If I was not already going to be gone elsewhere, I would be all over those TXR shows this weekend!! Have a fun time bay area people!

are folks forgetting how much it costs to pay people like warren haynes, jimmy herring, john scofield, etc etc. those guys don't have small paychecks.

just because you can't do a 150 doesn't mean you can't see countless free shows, 25, 35, 65 dollar shows.


it's silly to hear people complain about it. it tends to be folks who simply can't afford it. quit smoking pot for a month, quit buying beer, cook your own cheap food for a month, turn your water heater down.. if you simply re-evaluate your current means of living, you can often find places to cut costs and add money into your "tour fund".

if you're just bitter the price is too high and can afford it, go see a therapist, nobody wants to hear it.

I keep reading about intimacy making up for the cost of a ticket. my enjoyment was close to no more or less in the end. but i have decided, with the quality of the music being equal and since i have to travel either way, i much prefer that energy of a larger venue with a greater variety of people getting loose. i.e bill graham is that special place and elicits in me a feeling of what it is im looking for. that said i look forward to those special occasions at smaller venues as well like txr in future. i would like to see somebody special with phil or bobby really heat it up with some incredible improv up close.

wlewis wrote:


Burt, what about those that can afford it yet still find it a tad high in price? Where does one like that fit into your prescription? You may not want to hear it as the FFF barometer of acceptable discussions, but it is a conversation worth having if done with civility. Silly, bitter, complaining are not part of nor parcel of my intent.

price is too high newyawker, simple solution, DON'T GO or take advantage of the cheaper shows. like i said, 150 shows have musicians that cost serious bucks. i'm not sure what else you want people to tell you. don't you get sick of reading the same responses over and over?

newyawker---curious how many shows you've seen at levons barn, TXR, and sweetwater.

wlewis wrote:



What i want you and others to tell me is what price would be too high? If 200 people would go if they were 1000.00 bucks each, would that still be ok? I do not get sick of reading, my wife calls me a rock head for a reason like this. I obviously have not been convinved by your 'simple solution.' How many I have or have not attended is not the point. I am just taking a side on the issue which is not a pure reflection on affordability on my part. This issue is not only reflected in this instance but with other shows. Roger Waters askign 260-900 bucks a seat for his 'Wall Tour.' is also out of bounds.

When would the price be considered too high?

newyawker wrote:


dude the price is too high for specific individuals. sometimes it's already too high for me, but if i truly want to be there, i make it happen. there aren't 1,000 dollar tickets. there wont be 1,000 dollar tickets. you are sitting here talking about something it seems you've never experienced yourself, and then giving outrageous hypothetical situations that aren't going to happen.