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Denver Man
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Re: Here we go--haters step inside

#216352 1 year, 10 months ago
The Other Ones of 1998 made me jump off the bus, specifically when Mickey sang Fire on the Mnt .. just sayin .. I wasn't even close to being over Jerry so that didn't help. So in 2002 I wasn't even listening plus they didn't even come through Colorado that year, I do have some recordings from then so maybe I'll give them a listen. Put one foot back on the bus in 2003 with the Dead.. 5 nights at Red Rocks helped

DSO really impressed me this year. I think Mattson is a bad ass.

Jimmy Herring is a phenomenal guitar player but I think he is most suited for Widespread. Plus he single-handiy saved the band.
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nycdave
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Re: Here we go--haters step inside

#216362 1 year, 10 months ago
Not for nuthin', but... Mickey sang on the first studio version of Fire On the Mountain, circa 1973. He said that he was trying to sound like Robert Hunter, but it was him doing the singing, or rapping or whatever. The GD jammed Fire without lyrics that year. Listen to the Watkins Glen sound check, 7/27/73. That whole jam was wild, primal GD. In 1976 the GD played a jam titled Happyness is Drumming, which is actually a jam of Fire on the Mountain. See Chicago (6/23 I think, but I am not sure of the day). Jerry didn't start singing Fire until 1977.
I thought The Other Ones were a very strong band. Susan T is an energetic, talanted singer who performs well live. I luv it when a good singer does Dead stuff. Susan was my fav until Joan Osborne came along. Neither Susan or Joan try to sound like Jerry, they just bring there own voice to a body of work that rules the roost.
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Denver Man
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Re: Here we go--haters step inside

#216373 1 year, 10 months ago
I'm not hating on TOO btw. If they formed that very band now I'd be the 1st in line. But in 1998 - 2002 I wasn't in the mood.
I went walkin' out last summer
Tryin' to find a breath of air
I went walkin' on the mountain
A friend had told me I'd find you there
dr bakes
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Re: Here we go--haters step inside

#216375 1 year, 10 months ago
I saw both Philly shows in 02 and the performance the 1st night was outstanding, however they replaced Kimock/ Karan with Jimmy which was a mistake in my opinion because to me Jimmy emphasizes speed and cramming in as many notes as possible which is not the Jerry way. Mickey singing Down The Road does nothing for me. If I had to choose between TOO 02 and Furthur 2012 I say Furthur all the way.
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Re: Here we go--haters step inside

#216391 1 year, 10 months ago
never ever been a fan of the two-keyboard lineup...2nd set of keys is superfluous

herring's a fine fine player, but i like him better in the allmans...my favorite allmans lineup to see live was herring and derek
patchmyfurthur
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Re: Here we go--haters step inside

#216396 1 year, 10 months ago
I am listening to the 02 Spectrum "Shakedown" and dang....Bob's so ON! 10 years ago........

I also loved the 1998 Other Ones. Their live album is still a constant-play in my iTunes. Especially the Jack Straw > Sugaree > Corrina. That CD's "Estimated" was the one that finally got me into the song. Also, always loved the hair-raising audience explosion when "St. Stephen" starts.
Still Takin it Weirder
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Re: Here we go--haters step inside

#216404 1 year, 10 months ago
His only weakness is that he can sometimes get lazy and float the same scales rather than engage his ears and mind. I realize it's a lot to ask to not pull out your stand-by tricks when you're a little dull that night or that moment.

Lots a good comments here-- I was thoroughly expecting flames from some haters. Anyway...regarding Herring you are spot on on the above. Here I go again...its part of the reason I think the Q was way overrated. I know he's an excellent guitarist but at many Q shows it seemed his contribution was to hit the same notes over and over then hit the pedal for woowoowowo sound. To clarify the Q to me was Like Dave Kingman (I'm sure some old timers remember him)..he wou;d strike out 4 times then hit a MONSTROUS home run. In the later category 7-21-01 Hartford ( show with Ratdog)-- I think Jimmy deferred to Warren way to much--- I like Warren too-- a cas eof being seperate is greater than the sum.

Shit I digress. Regarding the 98 other ones... DM its a shame you must have caught a weak show. Weir, Lesh, Hart, Hornsby, Kimock, Karan, Molo.......that is an insane lineup. As DM touched on the wound of Jerrys passing was still open. Without doing full blown reviews this was the first time many long time heads got to hear St Stephen , the Eleven and others live. To me it was a giant healing process.

As far as what shows I did we started with 7-3-98 Camden. Indescribeable..all I can say is everything that brings on the X factor was in play---Philly crowd (with NY & DC representing) in all its electric fury. Kimock and Karan meshed perfectly, Kimock in particular ( no suprise) blew the roof off ( if it had one LOL) . The Live Dead sequence in set 2 St Stephen >Eleven >Lovelight was otherwordly . Donna was even there for Wang Dan Doodle, Playin and the Cassidy encore. As far as I know its the first time Donna appeared with Bob & Phil since her departure from the GD. Phil kicks in with the only Other Ones Like a Rolliin Stone too.

07/03/98 (Fri) Furthur Festival @ Blockbuster-Sony Music Entertainment Centre - Camden, NJ

Set 1: Jam, Jack Straw, Like a Rolling Stone > Wang Dang Doodle (1), Rainbow's Cadillac, Lost Sailor > Saint of Circumstance, Playing in the Band (1) > Banyan Tree > Drums > Jam > Playing in the Band Jam > Uncle John's Band, St. Stephen > The Eleven > Lovelight, E: Cassidy

Better copy than the original I postd here:

archive.org/details/too1998-07-03.aud.un...awrocki.85841.flac16

7-4-98- Long ass drive to Saratoga with mass traffic. Another really strong show but not quite up to the night before. The opening US Blues for the 4th was well played BUT um Phil tried to sing it ..you wanna cringe listen to it. Scarlet>Fire smokin really good LL Rain.... I'm doing this off the top of my head may add comments when I go look at the lists.

archive.org/details/too1998-07-04.schoeps.sobel.28908.flac16

7-9-98 Star Lake - This was the "jerry tribute show" not offically but all those in attendance agreed. The first Bob/Phil ( and Mickey) Shakedown since Jerry passed..... ( Ratdog had played it I believe once). Insane. over the top greatness. Long version into a dripping Playin..psychedlia madness. Shakedown>playin nearly 30 minutes to open. Then the OO debut of Ramble on Rose ( I had forgotten this was the debut). Only one other show did I ever see the massive waterworks that went down on this one (ratdog tower Knockin just after jerry passed) .. but the fact that this was a much more massive crowd and outside and it wasn't dark out yet.... people were bawling but when they hit the Take you to the leader of the band line... there wasn't a dry eye in the house
..some people just losing it.. ( tears were flowing for this poster too) ... then they ease us into Mickeys Jerry tribute song "Down the Road again" man this show was HEAVY. Then 1/2 step..spine tingling.. then to wrap up the salute Its all over now Baby Blue... more waterworks.....then it was back to earth... they also did an UJB "he's come to take his children home" that really brought the Jerry vibe back.... lastly as so many times before.... a barn burning Sugar Mag to wrap things up. This is one where the tapes are superb..but if you were there it was MUCH MUCH more.

archive.org/details/too1998-07-09.akg-ck...m.burke.97289.flac16
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MushroomMan
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Re: Here we go--haters step inside

#216405 1 year, 10 months ago
I don't think I've heard Mickey sing Down the Road but I love the song and Bruce did a great job with it when he sang IMO


--well enless that's really Mickey singing and I always thought it was Bruce
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Still Takin it Weirder
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Re: Here we go--haters step inside

#216414 1 year, 10 months ago
Ok I'll shut up now. (applause) to me the best post jerry band
1.98 OO
2. 2002 other ones
3. Furthur
4. 2000 other ones ( and I will add these shows got a bad rap-- I thoughly enjoyed the shows I caught).

( I'm not rating Ratdog or PLF because neither to me falls into a post GD attempt category -- they both do an entirely different sonic thing).
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Still Takin it Weirder
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Re: Here we go--haters step inside

#216418 1 year, 10 months ago
zeno you were right on about the Horn (Dave Elllis) have been cherry pickin a lil here & there... I forgot he was on that 98 tour... I liked him with Ratdog...I guess they got him to help differetiate the band from the gd (just a guess) I think they had it covered with Kimock & Karan.
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Re: Here we go--haters step inside

#216420 1 year, 10 months ago
I cannot stand the alto sax. One of the worst sounds. Period. Especially horrid in rock music (with a very rare exception). I don't mind it as much in free jazz when there is an industrial element to the make-up, ie Peter Brotzmann and sometimes Paul Dunmall. Albert Ayler was lyrical like JGarcia, but he is also an exception in many ways. (he didn't play the alto)

Someone on the LL board once said that the alto sax cuts through the same air and spectrum as the guitar. I agree, but even if I didn't, it's still a fucking ugly sounding thing in its own right. It gets in the way of the primary, and the inferior should never do that.
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Last Edit: 1 year, 10 months ago by ZenoMarx.
Still Takin it Weirder
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Re: Here we go--haters step inside

#216439 1 year, 10 months ago
OK -- upon furtur listening the sax works on some tunes and on others not. The raging Sugar Mag from 7/9/98 after one loud blast really fits in nicely......Shakedown same show for the most part... although in general I don't think it is the sax as much as the player...on alot of tunes "he just overplays his part" ..just to reiterate after 3 yrs of no gd "band" alot of tunes we never thought we'd here again... and for those on the bus for many many years hearing St Stephen & the Eleven Live for the first time (amongst others) was about as good as nirvana like as you could get without Jerry. Roll in all the emotion of seeing the guys together again & all the emotions shared communally over the moving on without Jerry (not to mention people we had seen every year over the course of all seasons for decades plus..and hadn't seen in 3 years)...made this tour (OO98)ultra unique and special.
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