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ZenoMarx
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PLEASE be quiet when the band is playing. PLEASE.

Re: Furthur -vs- Phil Lesh & Friends

#213624 1 year, 8 months ago
bxorain wrote:
Therefore to compare is to make judgement on some level.
I don't think it is judgment, but it certainly is to be human.

bxorain wrote:
No thanks, I'd rather enjoy what they offer, free of judgement.
Then why come into a thread such as this? If that is your goal and aspiration, that's cool. Peace be with it. For those who don't share your perspective, they discuss things such as this. They desire to discuss things like this. Don't like. Don't read. And I don't say that in a confrontational or flippant tone. I don't know why you'd purposely enter a realm that irritates you. Not good for you. Not good for others.
You aren't interesting or clever when you write or speak in the lyrics of others. Rather, what are YOUR words?
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Still Takin it Weirder
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Re: Furthur -vs- Phil Lesh & Friends

#213626 1 year, 8 months ago
How did you folks react to the part in The GD Movie when Jerry talks about throwing Phil down a set of stairs because it wasn't good enough (to his in-the-moment experience)? Did it really bother you? Or did you see a person who was a hard worker, who had great expectations, and who wanted something specific out of his band and experience. I guess what I'm saying is that this misconception of a mystical hippie-dippie lovefest doesn't speak to the beautiful truth of the situation.

Careful Zeno this is what has gotten me flamed on this board. I made a comment weeks back as tour was going on in the setlist threads that I was tired of reading every night "greatest show ever" or "great setlist" I mean it can't be both EVERY night. To appreciate the truely deserving epic or great shows you have to be able to acknowledge that every show is NOT the greatest. Further if you dare express an unpopular opinion like I did the other night that Mountains of the Moon sux the Hippy-dippy love festers go on the attack like a pack of wolves... hey man you just don't get the music..... or its Phil man its awesome... I saw some weak GD shows, alot of average shows..some above average ..some A's and some beyond any description. Its the nature of improv. I'm sure some folks here wouldn't ever think Jerry could throw Phil down the stairs (incidentally it was 2-14-68). Lastly Zeno i enjoy your posts..thanks for "keepin it real"
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ZenoMarx
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PLEASE be quiet when the band is playing. PLEASE.

Re: Furthur -vs- Phil Lesh & Friends

#213627 1 year, 8 months ago
bxorain wrote:
Dude, Jerry could say anything he wanted to anyone in the band and vice versa for all band members...why....because they ARE the band. We're NOT the band. They know each other intimately and have the same common goal...we have no clue. We have absolutely no clue.
Gave your response more thought. I don't think I expressed myself clearly. I mention that scenario to display most people are comparing and weighing their time and energy, consciously or otherwise. Jerry. Me. Others here. They have likes. They have dislikes. I don't care for salty food (usually). I love sweets to a fault. Ratdog doesn't speak to me. PL&F does. Those aren't judgments. I enjoy. I don't enjoy. One satisfies. One does not. I don't think I want to participate in a world (or microcosm or thread) where having preferences and talking about them is marked as judgment. That's a harsh world; harsher than the world I'm seeing written in this thread.
You aren't interesting or clever when you write or speak in the lyrics of others. Rather, what are YOUR words?
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ZenoMarx
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PLEASE be quiet when the band is playing. PLEASE.

Re: Furthur -vs- Phil Lesh & Friends

#213628 1 year, 8 months ago
Still Takin it Weirder wrote:
Further if you dare express an unpopular opinion like I did the other night that Mountains of the Moon sux the Hippy-dippy love festers go on the attack like a pack of wolves... hey man you just don't get the music..... or its Phil man its awesome.
That all happened because you're wrong. It wouldn't have happened if you were the other thing.
You aren't interesting or clever when you write or speak in the lyrics of others. Rather, what are YOUR words?
kevin
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Re: Furthur -vs- Phil Lesh & Friends

#213637 1 year, 8 months ago
This thread is anarchy at it's finest




Anarchism

Part of the Politics series on Anarchism





Main article: Anarchism

Anarchism is generally defined as the political philosophy which holds the state to be immoral,[9][10] or alternatively as opposing authority in the conduct of human relations.[11][12][13][14][15][16] Proponents of anarchism (known as "anarchists") advocate stateless societies based on non-hierarchical[11][17][18] voluntary associations.[19][20]

There are many types and traditions of anarchism, not all of which are mutually exclusive.[21] Anarchist schools of thought can differ fundamentally, supporting anything from extreme individualism to complete collectivism.[10] Strains of anarchism have been divided into the categories of social and individualist anarchism or similar dual classifications.[22][23] Anarchism is often considered to be a radical left-wing ideology,[24][25] and much of anarchist economics and anarchist legal philosophy reflect anti-statist interpretations of communism, collectivism, syndicalism or participatory economics. However, anarchism has always included an individualist strain supporting a market economy and private property, or morally unrestrained egoism.[26][27][28] Some individualist anarchists are also socialists or communists while some anarcho-communists are also individualists[29][30] or egoists.[31][32]

Anarchism as a social movement has regularly endured fluctuations in popularity. The central tendency of anarchism as a mass social movement has been represented by anarcho-communism and anarcho-syndicalism, with individualist anarchism being primarily a literary phenomenon[33] which nevertheless did have an impact on the bigger currents[34] and individualists also participated in large anarchist organizations.[35][36] Most anarchists oppose all forms of aggression, supporting self-defense or non-violence (anarcho-pacifism),[37][38] while others have supported the use of militant measures, including revolution and propaganda of the deed, on the path to an anarchist society.[39]

The term anarchism derives from the Greek ἄναρχος, anarchos, meaning "without rulers",[40][41] from the prefix ἀν- (an-, "without") + ἀρχή (archê, "sovereignty, realm, magistracy")[42] + -ισμός (-ismos, from the suffix -ιζειν, -izein "-izing"). There is some ambiguity with the use of the terms "libertarianism" and "libertarian" in writings about anarchism. Since the 1890s from France,[43] the term "libertarianism" has often been used as a synonym for anarchism[44] and was used almost exclusively in this sense until the 1950s in the United States;[45] its use as a synonym is still common outside the United States.[46] Accordingly, "libertarian socialism" is sometimes used as a synonym for socialist anarchism,[47][48] to distinguish it from "individualist libertarianism" (individualist anarchism). On the other hand, some use "libertarianism" to refer to individualistic free-market philosophy only, referring to free-market anarchism as "libertarian
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Griff
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Don't you see........

Re: Furthur -vs- Phil Lesh & Friends

#213644 1 year, 8 months ago
I love Bob and his musicianship. I played ryhthm guitar in my bands and emulated his style.

I take no offense at the folks who struggle with some part or another of Bob's gig, just like I dont mind my sister who REALLY loves Bobby and complains about Jerry tunes (like Viola.......c'mon) or anyone who complains about their dislike of space jams.

Its all good as long as its not just hate. Like its cool if you dont like the slower tempo the songs, sometimes I dont either but more often then not I do.

Keep talking brothers and sisters. We are "hear" because ultimately we all like the same things........
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wlewis
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Re: Furthur -vs- Phil Lesh & Friends

#213649 1 year, 8 months ago
this thread is too funny.

it's all opinion folks. everybody's different. end of story.

and for the record, being real about the music and band is important. no need to fluff it up. "it ain't all rainbows, unicorns, and ass glitter"
who else is gonna bring you, a broken arrow?
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Denver Man
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Re: Furthur -vs- Phil Lesh & Friends

#213651 1 year, 8 months ago
ZenoMarx wrote:
gdrew817 wrote:
Wow. I'm surprised to be reading all of this negative stuff about Bobby.

Denver Man wrote:
I guess a clear division is forming ... much like republicans and democrats ... the American way I suppose
You fellas must be reading a different conversation than I am. Or maybe I'm insensitive or you're overly sensitive. There's been a scarce, truly negative comment the whole time. A couple of sentences? A couple of sentences amongst larger posts mapping out likes, dislikes, preferences, and things that take each poster to that level they desire to experience. I see all this as healthy.

How did you folks react to the part in The GD Movie when Jerry talks about throwing Phil down a set of stairs because it wasn't good enough (to his in-the-moment experience)? Did it really bother you? Or did you see a person who was a hard worker, who had great expectations, and who wanted something specific out of his band and experience. I guess what I'm saying is that this misconception of a mystical hippie-dippie lovefest doesn't speak to the beautiful truth of the situation. Real life stuff happening to balance out the otherworldly stuff so we could actually recognize the otherworldly as otherworldly. Balance. Differing perspectives. Life. Nature. Greatness.

I don't get it. I'm not sure I can imagine the conversation you want to see. If people didn't discuss, and even argue, art, what good would the art be? How good could the art be if it didn't incite things within us? Things we hopefully share and express so we can educate and learn.
I went walkin' out last summer
Tryin' to find a breath of air
I went walkin' on the mountain
A friend had told me I'd find you there
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gdrew817
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Re: Furthur -vs- Phil Lesh & Friends

#213654 1 year, 8 months ago
I'm all about discussion - saw that Bobby was getting hammered here so needed to chime in. Bob is a freakin "pro" as they say, anyone who is into the theoretical components of music or who emulates his style on guitar (myself included) can see how complex and unique Bob Weir is... Just look at chord structure of his songs. Wow what a musical genius, of sorts.

Jer was the key to it all, but the rest of the mechanical beast was perfectly in place. Bob eluded to it tonight on the webcast, how there were struggles, but what made it work was the company of each other -- laughter, love and the desire to experiment and believe.

Bob Weir is a musical legend in my eyes. I appreciate he still goes out on a limb to explore the spaces of sound and tell the stories that need to be told.

Thank all of you for supporting Phil, Bob etc so this music continues to be played by the creators as along as possible.
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Denver Man
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Re: Furthur -vs- Phil Lesh & Friends

#213656 1 year, 8 months ago
gdrew817 wrote:
I'm all about discussion - saw that Bobby was getting hammered here so needed to chime in. Bob is a freakin "pro" as they say, anyone who is into the theoretical components of music or who emulates his style on guitar (myself included) can see how complex and unique Bob Weir is... Just look at chord structure of his songs. Wow what a musical genius, of sorts.

Jer was the key to it all, but the rest of the mechanical beast was perfectly in place. Bob eluded to it tonight on the webcast, how there were struggles, but what made it work was the company of each other -- laughter, love and the desire to experiment and believe.

Bob Weir is a musical legend in my eyes. I appreciate he still goes out on a limb to explore the spaces of sound and tell the stories that need to be told.

Thank all of you for supporting Phil, Bob etc so this music continues to be played by the creators as along as possible.


A legend yes, thank you for saying that! And thank you for being more politically correct than I.
I went walkin' out last summer
Tryin' to find a breath of air
I went walkin' on the mountain
A friend had told me I'd find you there
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wharfrat71
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Re: Furthur -vs- Phil Lesh & Friends

#213693 1 year, 8 months ago
Golly, people! Hahahahaha!!!! I have two things to say....1. I'm sorry I started this. lol 2. We ARE the band
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Denver Man
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Re: Furthur -vs- Phil Lesh & Friends

#213695 1 year, 8 months ago
Sorry ... I got carried away

I've hit my breaking point and what to get back to CO
I went walkin' out last summer
Tryin' to find a breath of air
I went walkin' on the mountain
A friend had told me I'd find you there
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