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bxorain
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Re: Furthur -vs- Phil Lesh & Friends

#213309 1 year, 11 months ago
I love all these cats and everything they bring to the table. Chris, Jackie, Phil, Bob....they're all sweet musicians in their own way and it's not really very interesting to me to compare them. Also, just my feeling but you can't have a founder member of a band perform their music and call them a cover band. It's the real deal, it just evolves in different ways. Cover bands get paid to cover the original material as closely as possible...kinda the oppoosite of taking it furthur. Going to the Port Chester Thursday and Friday!!!
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wharfrat71
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Re: Furthur -vs- Phil Lesh & Friends

#213444 1 year, 11 months ago
Hang on....To me, 'versus' doesn't really mean "Who do you like better?". Rather just a fun discussion about the differences between the two bands. Thanks everyone for all the great comments, I didn't expect this kind of response! I think JK just knows when to step back when there is a special guest (especially Lukas) and let them do their thing. Also, it seems for whatever reason, JK seems to play more lead guitar and rolling scales with P&F. He plays the GD songs with Furthur in a more traditional way (all the trademark notes in the right places, etc.) Maybe Bobby likes it that way, I dunno. I also like hearing John sing Black Peter. P&F will never play Money For Gasoline! aaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!! WEIR so lucky to have all this timeless music. Thanks again for the huge response, lots of good viewpoints. I can't wait for the new years run!
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Re: Furthur -vs- Phil Lesh & Friends

#213468 1 year, 11 months ago
I LOVE BOTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE BUS CAME BY BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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wharfrat71
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Re: Furthur -vs- Phil Lesh & Friends

#213484 1 year, 11 months ago
Sometimes P&F play songs with different arrangement, which I dig. But sometimes they do songs in a weird key, that to me, takes the life out of a few numbers. Furthur usually plays the songs in the original key they were written in. Having said that, I don't think that either band is a cover band. And as for comparing Phil & Bobby (Who's the better player?) All I can say is that they are both masters at their instruments in their own way!
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Denver Man
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Re: Furthur -vs- Phil Lesh & Friends

#213523 1 year, 11 months ago
What about RatDog??

I think about any band I like and I immediately identify with the voice(s) of the band, the vocals. Sure the lead, rhythm, bass guitars and drums and keyboards and tambourines etc, the jams, the hard rocking, the exploration, spacey, psychadelic, all that of course plays into the overall band make up but to ME the voice is how I identify with the band. For me to get that Dead feeling I really like hearing that familiar voice. Jerry where are you?? But the "other" voice of Dead music is Mr Bob Weir. It sounds goofy and everything but I immediately feel comfortable when I hear Bob's voice, even if it a mere shadow of the great voice back in the day, I love hearing it. Ok so with Furthur JK fills the Jerry void for me well almost, kind of but hey I get my other voice - Bobby's. Through the Dead's line ups (I'm talking 2003, 2004, 2009) I learned to accept Warren's voice as filling a void, not really Jerry's but at least a void. So when he plays with PLF, I feel comforted and that I am in the Dead zone. It's fine to explore new avenues especially since we don't have much choice. I enjoy the revolving Phil line ups but I haven't really lost my mind over any of them. Except for when Warren is there. Nothing against Jackie at all I like him alot but hearing him squeak out Estimated Prophet doesn't do it for me. I'm almost thinking Bob's voice is more irreplacable than Jerry's in this grand Dead world.

It's funny because from 1965 - 1995 no one was looking for different interpretations of the Grateful Dead music, I mean hell no such thing even existed, other than JGB or Bobby and the Midnights or something, Kingfish. I still gravitate more towards to the familiar than to the let's explore in some weird way. Sorry that's just what gets me off. That will all change when Bob and Phil hang em up, but I can wait. It's ok to want to hear that original sound, I wish people would at least acknowledge that instead of jumping all over them for not jumping for joy over Stanley Jordan for example. To each their own, that's what we have to remember.

So to answer your question, I would take Furthur ANY day of the week. I like what Terrapin said that Furthur is my wife and PLF my lover. That being said I am very excited for Bob solo. That familiar voice, and I don't care that he botches lyrics or strummed the wrong key, I just love hearing that man sing.
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dougieisirie
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Re: Furthur -vs- Phil Lesh & Friends

#213528 1 year, 11 months ago
Very good point. I think the difference for me between Furthur and Phil and Friends, is with Furthur you have that same interaction between Bobby's rhythm playing and Jerry as you do with John K. I've been listening to some of the Furthur shows from the last few tours and you can definitely hear that interaction which was so wonderful during the Dead years. Also, I think Bobby's voice has gotten actually better, maybe not quite as strong, but it is more restrained. And I actually think he sings more on key than he did back in the Dead years.

And of course with Furthur you have Sunshine and Jeff who's harmonies are really really great. Way better than when Donna was with the band (Nothing against Donna).

Don't get me wrong I love P&F also. And I love Warren Haynes, I think he is one of the greatest guitarists/singers out there, he just doesn't do it for me singing dead songs.
"Some ask, why play Grateful Dead music??
For those that know, no answer is necessary,
For those that don't, no answer is possible."
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Terrapin Sedation
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Re: Furthur -vs- Phil Lesh & Friends

#213529 1 year, 11 months ago
^^^^

I'm with you Denver Man...If familiarity breeds contempt, it also breeds comfort. It has taken me a long time to adjust to Phil (and others) singing Jerry songs, let alone Bobby songs (e.g. Other One, which he did pretty nice the other night).

Slight correction on your statement that others weren't doing interpretations of GD until post 1995. I think Deadicated brought their music to lots of new audiences. And still has some of my favorite interpretations.


www.allmusic.com/album/deadicated-a-trib...ul-dead-mw0000313528
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nycdave
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Re: Furthur -vs- Phil Lesh & Friends

#213534 1 year, 11 months ago
DenverMan: Furthur is my wife and PLF my lover. That being said I am very excited for Bob solo.
Hey DM, it's okay to have a wife and two luvers, as long as we are talking about music. There is no right or wrong here, people like what they like. I like the approach that Phil took when he first started friends. He chose musicians that would bring their own voice or interpretation to the GD catalogue. People like Warren, Jimi H, Derek Trucks, Steve Kimmock, Trey, Robben Ford, Larry C, and many others. Same deal with the keyboard players, singers, etc. Furthur, both in structure and presentation sounds a lot more like the GD interpretation of the GD. Bob sounds like Bob, John, both in tone and phrasing sounds like, oh I forgot that fellers name. A lot of us thought the party was over in 1995. That this is still going on now is uh, way cool.
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Griff
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Re: Furthur -vs- Phil Lesh & Friends

#213541 1 year, 11 months ago
I'll say again I really enjoy these discussions and hearing everyones's point of view.

It is not a versus as in which band is better or not, or the better musician or anything like that, just a comparison of what each indvidual likes. Reading other people's comments sometimes helps to clarify my own opinions. Or expands my thinking.........ahhhhhhhhhhh the reason for civil discourse.........perhaps you might learn something.

Really, that's what it's all about. The boys explore musically, and since we are not great musicians like them (well I will speak for myself, I kind of sucked but man I tried hard), we get to explore in words and thoughts. Cool!!

DM has a great point on the comfort of voice, and I agree. Many of my fellow tourers also feel that way (the let JK sing crowd).

Yet there are those wildcards.......like Birdsong. I like Phil singing it. It fits my ear so to speak.

I too like to hear songs in standard keys and arrangement, though enjoy the extra stanza that Furthur, especially Bob, adds to many songs between lyrics (see The Other One). It feels comfortable.

Yet...........I also really love the jams they do as intro to songs.

Man, its all just sooooooo good and so much fun. Music........one of the joys of life!!
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Still Takin it Weirder
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Re: Furthur -vs- Phil Lesh & Friends

#213542 1 year, 11 months ago
I really like both. Jackie Greene has been impressing and geting better every yr since I first saw him with Phil in 07?....anyway all I'm gonna say is I'll take any band with Bobby in it over any band without him. That said its like picking ice cream flavors... I prefer Vanilla... it doesn't mean I don't like chocolate. I'dd like to add something else that I just concurred with above. Certain songs that define Bob Weir... like Estimated..Let It Grow.. Sugar Mag..PLF just doesn't seem ..right/authentic to me. Its like if Jerry was alive and Phils band was playing Stella Blue.... something about it just rubs me wrong.
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wharfrat71
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Re: Furthur -vs- Phil Lesh & Friends

#213552 1 year, 11 months ago
I really liked hearing the Weather Report Prelude the other night without Bobby. I'm sure I've heard Let it Grow without Bob, but not Part 1. Also, Stairway to Heaven was really great the other night. Who was blowing those killer runs? Didn't sound like Jackie or John to me. And, Ratdog is flat out B.A.!!! Period.
ZenoMarx
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Re: Furthur -vs- Phil Lesh & Friends

#213573 1 year, 11 months ago
90% of the reason I like JK is the familiar tones. Jimmy Herring was about as close as we came before him, and I think Herring is a better player than JK. And make no mistake about it, tonality is HUGELY important to me in music. I key into tones and how they interact and reflect off the other tones. It's why I never really liked Warren Haynes with this music. Had little to do with his playing, because he's a great player. His tones were all off for most GD music (could really make Mason's Children rip, though). I still thought the Q was a great improvisational unit; probably one of the best ever. So yeah, tonality. Throw the right tonality into the mix, and things get beautifully familiar [enough] to take it to that other level I so desperately love to be.
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