83msg1sttyme wrote:


im thinking the intel about iraq having access to WMD's as a reason to invade Iraq when really the agenda was controlling oil and making Haliburton' stock grow like never before. Not technically executive privelege, but still dishonorable

AT LEAST WE ALL AGREE ON GOOD MUSIC

articles.latimes.com/2007/jun/22/nation/na-cheney22

[quote=" because aside from pat tillman nobody was killed unlike obamas use of it regarding fast and furious[/quote]

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?

B-Rad wrote:


Oops. My mistake. I try to stear clear of labels but a slip up.

So, sue me

I see you left out Spain, Italy, Portugal, Ireland and Greece for some odd reason

Germany is socialist ? I think not, although, they have some socialist programs as does the U.S. Unless this 1938 ?

Again, call Obama anything you want. He believes in redistribution of wealth and centralized government. I don't think you'll read those words in the United States Constitution rather may find it in Marx's Communist Manifesto.

Shine your shoes, light your fuse
Can you use them old U.S. Blues
I'll drink your health, share your wealth
Run your life, steal your wife

[quote="tdog" post=200252][quote="B-Rad" post=200238]EyeBallKid wrote:


Same reason I left the USA out, because we have social unrest and problems.

Yes, Germany with its free medical care, free contraception, very strong welfare programs IS socialist (or they have socialist programs. There really is no such thing as a capitalist or socialist country...they all have mixed economic systems today). They also require union members on all boards of directors for corporations and have a top income tax rate of over 60%.

Where do Obama's policies redistribute wealth or centralize government (unlike Bush's which created the largest government bueracracy in the world DHS, created actual socialized medicine: medicare part D, and actually expanded the number of government employees faster than the private sector added employees)???????? Again, policies not what you think he thinks.

[quote="B-Rad" post=200256][quote="tdog" post=200252]B-Rad wrote:


I've never supported Bush ! Why do you Obmaites always bring up Bush ? He's more like your guy than you care to realize or at least admit to.

Free contraception ? What, is that a joke ? That is a socialist policy ? Learn something every day I guess.

Ah, the wonderful world of denial. Rainbows and Unicorns.

83msg1sttyme wrote:


This election has nothing to do with how many guns the ATF fucked off. Let the record show I said nothing to you about your assertions that Obama was responsible for their actions (although I think it's absurd) tried to said you made no point regarding the topic at hand and then told every one to shove it, like you just won a wrestling match.

Lead Paint reference was to demonstrate that not all of "The Liberal Socialist Agenda" is harmful, they care about things like peoples health and the betterment of all instead to resource allocation and the betterment of few affluent.

"fucking hippies like talking to a brickwall hey the 60s are over grow up"
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Ummm engaged citzens feel it is important to discuss the current policy issues facing our nation in an election year cycle where we have just came from the brink of world economic callopes due to the shortsited decisions of reackless gambling addicts that were put at the helm of the entire system. So yeah there is a little bit to discuss......

"Hey the 60's are over grow up"
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Reallly dude coming from you that is a honor

Phred wrote:


man maybe your right and im just taking this way to serious and I missed the guys whole bit because I dont have a sense of humor. But are you telling me every post he made on here is sarcasm? he is joking he doesnt actually believe these things? idk if his attempts at humor have just missed me my apolagies for my attack. I just dont see his need to come in here and trash up the thread with hateful remarks and garbage when for the most part, at least intially, people were trying to have a constructive conversation.

kevin wrote:


What is Obama's policy to stem the tide of unemployment ? He talks about growing the "middle class" but how does he do that without getting more people back to work ? More stimulus spending ? That's been his policy to date, government spending to spur demand. The problem is, it hasn't worked ! Higher taxes on higher earners ? How does that get people back to work ?

My view is it's time to try a different approach.

tdog wrote:


We tried it: 2000 - 2008. Verdict: it didn't work. You have to understand that we are in some fairly uncharted territory. The economy has not been this bad since the Great Depression (thus the name "Great Recession"). There are fundamental flaws with the economy...see my previous posts. Going back to the same policies that created the problem does not seem like a sensible thing to do. I'm willing to give Obama at least as much time to fix it as we gave the other guy to break it. Quite frankly, I'm no fan of Obama...he's too far right for me. But Romney/Ryan are threatening to take us back to the Dark Ages. My opinion, you don't have to like it nor try to change it...you'll be about as successful as I am in changing yours.

Cheers, and be sure vote, or you don't get to bitch...

No predujice. There's no debate. Im entitled to my sarcastic opinion like the rest of you all.. Some people don't appreciate sarcasm. Fine. This is politics. I'm right, you''re wrong. Get over it..

sweetwilliamisdead wrote:

tdog wrote:
Why do you keep saying things like this? Do you really believe it serves you, or your beliefs, well? Dismissive. Insulting. Condescending. Ugly. And ultimately destructive to yourself, your ideas, and the overall discussion.

The majority of people who support Obama and who have posted in this thread have also included reservations, and nobody...NOBODY...has painted him the messiah or the answer to all things. They aren't denying anything...except denying to agree with you, which is something you have a very difficult time handling. Not only are you unable to argue in any kind of reasonable and coherent way, but you are also unable to read the ideas and beliefs of others without applying your own filter to them. You don't read what people say. You don't show them that kind of respect. Maybe you aren't able to do that for reasons we don't know or cannot understand (trauma, illness, mental illness, medications, etc). Maybe it is as simple as being a poor listener; someone who is thinking of rebuttal before they've heard what the other person is saying. Make no mistake about it. Listening is a difficult, priceless skill that many lack. It's truly worrisome that you cannot read or hear what people are saying -and that applies to both Progressives and Conservatives, because you twist Conservative ideas just as much- without an interpretation that leaves you a good distance from what they're actually saying. Add it to the list of things that make it impossible to discuss meaningful topics with you.