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B-Rad
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Re: Dead Heads for Romney 2012

#200219 1 year, 10 months ago
83msg1sttyme wrote:
BTW we went into afghanistan in october of 2001 to avenge the sept 11 2001 attacks but your against that too i guess maybe we should have just ignored them and let them do what they want to us .Iraq was a mistake ill give ya that onenever understood that move from a strategic point of view .I also dont watch fox news and imnot a straight ticket republican so you can stop sayingthose things . i was registered democrat in my youth then i woke up .


Actually Afghanistan did not invade us on 9-11. Afghanistan (the Taliban) offered to give us Osama Bin Laden on two separate occasions following 9-11 and Bush turned them down and opted to invade instead. It was a choice, a bad, expensive choice.
EyeBallKid
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Re: Dead Heads for Romney 2012

#200220 1 year, 10 months ago
So you dont mind that things are kept hidden from you as long as it is a republican and no one is killed? And again, how do you know that it isnt being used to protect agents who still may be undercover? He gives up the info and more agents could die. I dont see a valid difference, keeping things covered up from the people you serve is disgraceful either way.
B-Rad
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Re: Dead Heads for Romney 2012

#200221 1 year, 10 months ago
83msg1sttyme wrote:
•umm no not really i dont have a problem with what bush did regarding excutive privilege because aside from pat tillman nobody was killed unlike obamas use of it regarding fast and furious



Bullshit!! Bush invoked executive privilege on intel over Iraq that led to over 3000 US military service members and at least 100,000 Iraqi civilian deaths. That guy has more blood on his hands for his lies and the abuse of executive privilege to cover up those lies than anyone in history. Romney's foreign policy team has many of the same neocon players who are already beating the war drum on Iran.
Last Edit: 1 year, 10 months ago by B-Rad.
tdog
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Take a step back

Re: Dead Heads for Romney 2012

#200227 1 year, 10 months ago
[quote="B-Rad" post=200217][quote="tdog" post=200209]EyeBallKid wrote:
tdog wrote:

Um, the federal government is supposed to do what is outlined in the Constitution. Again, I'm too lazy to post a link. Go read it and get back to me with your next question.



Like the part in the Constitution about provide for the general welfare... The founders were smart enough to leave wiggle room because they understood that societies change and become more complex.

You called Obama's policies marxist, which they are not, they are centrist or center right. What is one single policy that he has that allows the government to invade your ability to be left alone???


Please stop ! I don't use those terms because they're loaded nowadays. Everyone is highly sensitized to those words. I go out of my NOT to use them. Please post the quote and I'll take it back. It was certainly a mistake if I indeed said that.

I will ask you why those words are so highly sensitive in today's politics ? Hmmmmmmm. I wonder.
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ecojaded
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Re: Dead Heads for Romney 2012

#200230 1 year, 10 months ago
Game, Set match, shove it?

thank you, that last part helped me forget about point you never got to making.

Now go use some more of that patriotic lead paint.
She tries to live by the golden rule.
Said you treat other people right,
Other people probably treat you cool.
EyeBallKid
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Re: Dead Heads for Romney 2012

#200233 1 year, 10 months ago
You did not call him a marxist, you called him a socialist. When asked about it, you were unable to explain your position.
Simple search for the word socialism in any of tdog's posts.
Tdog- Sept 30 11:49

"I would argue Obama is a socialist, although, I know that word excites some people. Nonetheless it's hard for me to see the difference between the definition of socialism and Obama's economic philosophy. Be that as it may, it hasn't worked and in many cases has led to social unrest, violence and death. Not for me. "
83msg1sttyme
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Re: Dead Heads for Romney 2012

#200234 1 year, 10 months ago
hey ecoi was being calledon facts that i provided which werecorrectand being told i dont know what i m talking about so excuse me if i get a little touchy over being called a liar as for patriotic lead paint what the hell does the even mean? ya know what nevermind .fucking hippies like talking to a brickwall hey the 60s are over grow up
If i told ya all that went down,it would burn off both your ears
kevin
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Re: Dead Heads for Romney 2012

#200235 1 year, 10 months ago
from someone who has watched this thread devolve into a fight of facts, forget about parties and past presidents, understand this
The parties each have their OWN best interests at heart, Romney and Obama will do what's in their best interests.
THE PAST IS NEVER COMING BACK, all these quotes about previous administrations and even Obama's first term dont mean diddly, the next 4 years are what's important, Use YOUR vote to choose which candidate can do more for YOU and what YOU value in the next 4 years. There is a reason all people get 1 vote and majority wins. Democracy aint perfect, but it's the best we got.


Me personally, if Romney/Ryan are for "trickle down" economics and dumping Medicare/SS, then Im voting against that agenda. Obama is around a 5 as far as effective, he hasn't really impressed me much, BUT his health reform affects me directly and he hasn't campaigned to take away my retirement as I've known it for the past 30 years.
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83msg1sttyme
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Re: Dead Heads for Romney 2012

#200236 1 year, 10 months ago
B-Rad wrote:
83msg1sttyme wrote:
•umm no not really i dont have a problem with what bush did regarding excutive privilege because aside from pat tillman nobody was killed unlike obamas use of it regarding fast and furious



Bullshit!! Bush invoked executive privilege on intel over Iraq that led to over 3000 US military service members and at least 100,000 Iraqi civilian deaths. That guy has more blood on his hands for his lies and the abuse of executive privilege to cover up those lies than anyone in history. Romney's foreign policy team has many of the same neocon players who are already beating the war drum on Iran.
really where? i provided the 6 times he used them and none said anything about intel on iraq you cant just make stuff up and its war people die in war
If i told ya all that went down,it would burn off both your ears
Last Edit: 1 year, 10 months ago by 83msg1sttyme.
B-Rad
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Re: Dead Heads for Romney 2012

#200238 1 year, 10 months ago
EyeBallKid wrote:
You did not call him a marxist, you called him a socialist. When asked about it, you were unable to explain your position.
Simple search for the word socialism in any of tdog's posts.
Tdog- Sept 30 11:49

"I would argue Obama is a socialist, although, I know that word excites some people. Nonetheless it's hard for me to see the difference between the definition of socialism and Obama's economic philosophy. Be that as it may, it hasn't worked and in many cases has led to social unrest, violence and death. Not for me. "



Right, and then I asked him if Canada, Germany, France, Sweeden, Norway, the Netherlands, Australia, New Zealand... were full of social unrest, violence and death due to their socialist policies. ?????? And I would repeat my question as to a single policy Obama has proposed that is socialist?????
tdog
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Take a step back

Re: Dead Heads for Romney 2012

#200239 1 year, 10 months ago
[quote="B-Rad" post=200217][quote="tdog" post=200209]EyeBallKid wrote:
tdog wrote:

Um, the federal government is supposed to do what is outlined in the Constitution. Again, I'm too lazy to post a link. Go read it and get back to me with your next question.



Like the part in the Constitution about provide for the general welfare... The founders were smart enough to leave wiggle room because they understood that societies change and become more complex.

You called Obama's policies marxist, which they are not, they are centrist or center right. What is one single policy that he has that allows the government to invade your ability to be left alone???


I have always supported the social safety net. I don't think it's actually in the Constitution as a task of the federal government but I believe in it nonetheless. I believe it says "promote the general welfare". Anyway.

I do, however, believe that welfare to those capable of work is wrong. I agree with Bill Clinton on that BTW.

I believe the safety net applies in down times (like now) where people cannot find work but it cannot be the long term solution. That has to come from getting people into decent work. No, not by raising the minimum wage but by promoting family, education and attainment of modern job skills. Not everybody can make living playig guitar or painting.

Yet another reason I'm voting to out Obama. I think he's proven clueless on getting people educated and/or working (see unemployment, college costs, the rise in food stamp usage). How anyone can support a continuance of this is totally amazing !
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EyeBallKid
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Re: Dead Heads for Romney 2012

#200242 1 year, 10 months ago
83msg1sttyme wrote:
•George W. Bush invoked executive privilege six times, including to avoid handing over documents to a congressional committee on the FBI’s use of mob informants in Boston, and to deny access to Justice Department correspondence about Clinton’s fundraising tactics.
•In 2007, the Bush White House also declined to give Congress documents about the death of Pat Tillman, the football star-turned-Army Ranger, who was killed in Afghanistan. The military initially said Tillman was killed in a firefight with the enemy, but it was later discovered that he was shot in a friendly fire accident. In refusing to hand over the documents, Bush’s counsel said the documents “implicate Executive Branch confidentiality interests.”
•Barely a month later, Bush used the privilege to allow Karl Rove, his senior adviser at the time, to avoid testifying before Congress during its investigation into the firing of nine federal prosecutors, allegedly for partisan reasons.
umm no not really i dont have a problem with what bush did regarding excutive privilege because aside from pat tillman nobody was killed unlike obamas use of it regarding fast and furious


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