lostsailor wrote:


I don't think I ever used those terms in describing Obama and I'm not even sure it matters what we call him. Call him a Capitalist, I don't really fucking care.

I'm throwing my support to Romney because I think he'll leave me alone and stay out of my life more than another Obama administration will. Simple, really. I JUST WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE by my elected officials. They should do the essential tasks of government and that's all. Goverment of the people, by the people, for the people.

Is it really so complicated to you people ? I mean, really ?

Polarization & Plutocracy for President 2012

it took 16 years, but they have finally divided us right down the middle. Now they rule from a high.

tdog wrote:

So what do you define essential tasks as? What to you define "for the people" to mean? What has Romney said or done that makes you think he will leave you alone? If its not complicated I would love an answer to particularly the first 2 questions.

"You People"

[quote="tdog" post=200199]lostsailor wrote:



Tdog you most certainly did call the President a marxist...look back at your posts.

You want to just be left alone and you thing Romney is the guy to do it...obviously you aren't gay, a women, relying on SS for retirement, a minority or poor. Because he will do everything except leave any of us alone.

And Obama goes after those poor rich guys who destroyed the economy and sold out the middle class years ago...yeah Mitt better come rescue them.

ecojaded wrote:
Operation “Fast and Furious,” run out of the Phoenix division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, occurred between 2009 and 2011. Confusion arose as federal agents and the ATF lost track of many firearms that they originally suspected of being bought illegally by the Sinaloa Mexican drug cartel.

Investigation into the “gunwalking” scandal began, spearheaded by House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.). The committee investigated Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. for contempt of Congress after Issa and other House Republican leaders concluded that the Justice Department was withholding information related to the investigation.

On June 28, 2012, the U.S. House of Representatives voted 255 to 67 to make Holder the first sitting attorney general in U.S. history to be held in contempt of Congress for withholding documents requested as part of the investigation.
this is from the washington times noticce the date between2009 and 2011 sohow the hellwas bush involved? game set match ,shove it

[quote="B-Rad" post=200204]tdog wrote:


I most certainly did not call the President anything other than Obammy (I think).

Cmon now, what's with the accusations ? Why so sensitive about Marxism ? Is that the same as calling someone Racist now ?

OMG, the horror !

EyeBallKid wrote:


"You People" refers to all of those who are promoting any form of centralized, authoritarian government. Not accusing you ! Calm down.

Um, the federal government is supposed to do what is outlined in the Constitution. Again, I'm too lazy to post a link. Go read it and get back to me with your next question.

BTW we went into afghanistan in october of 2001 to avenge the sept 11 2001 attacks but your against that too i guess maybe we should have just ignored them and let them do what they want to us .Iraq was a mistake ill give ya that onenever understood that move from a strategic point of view .I also dont watch fox news and imnot a straight ticket republican so you can stop sayingthose things . i was registered democrat in my youth then i woke up .

tdog wrote:


I quoted you people to point out how divisive your language is.
The constitution is so open ended that daily arguments still occur over its meaning. The fact is anyone with enough knowledge can twist the constitution's words to suit their own agenda. Great example of this is the outrage by the republican party over Judge Roberts decision on the new healthcare act. We have no experience with the world that the framers wrote the constitution in therefore no right to say "Jefferson meant this or Madison really meant that." We live in a different world that would have likely shocked many of the framers.

83msg, you still are dodging replying to me.

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty, you have no brain.”
― Winston Churchill

[quote="tdog" post=200209][quote="EyeBallKid" post=200202]tdog wrote:



Like the part in the Constitution about provide for the general welfare... The founders were smart enough to leave wiggle room because they understood that societies change and become more complex.

You called Obama's policies marxist, which they are not, they are centrist or center right. What is one single policy that he has that allows the government to invade your ability to be left alone???

•George W. Bush invoked executive privilege six times, including to avoid handing over documents to a congressional committee on the FBI’s use of mob informants in Boston, and to deny access to Justice Department correspondence about Clinton’s fundraising tactics.
•In 2007, the Bush White House also declined to give Congress documents about the death of Pat Tillman, the football star-turned-Army Ranger, who was killed in Afghanistan. The military initially said Tillman was killed in a firefight with the enemy, but it was later discovered that he was shot in a friendly fire accident. In refusing to hand over the documents, Bush’s counsel said the documents “implicate Executive Branch confidentiality interests.”
•Barely a month later, Bush used the privilege to allow Karl Rove, his senior adviser at the time, to avoid testifying before Congress during its investigation into the firing of nine federal prosecutors, allegedly for partisan reasons.
umm no not really i dont have a problem with what bush did regarding excutive privilege because aside from pat tillman nobody was killed unlike obamas use of it regarding fast and furious