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Ossumpei
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Re: The Flag

#217009 1 year, 10 months ago
I'll explain why I feel the way I do.

In Red Rocks, for whatever reason, Denver Man decided not to interact with the rest of us. It was his home town, he knew the venue and the lots, knew where the flag was because it was posted daily, and knew very well how to find it, and the rest of the forum there. He didn't contact anyone or let us know where he was, or raise any other issue until Monday, when the shows were over and we were on the way home. Then he starts with his complaining that he didn't have the party at his mobile home or whatever, and that the rest of us were somehow at fault. It seemed that his wife was hurt and I thought he missed the shows because of that. I felt sorry for his situation and at the time wished he had made it. Come to find out he was sitting on the lot being mad that nobody came to see him at his trailer. The time to fix that was when it was happening, like Saturday or Sunday, when the shows were happening and we all were there. But no, he decides to wait to complain and cause unnecessary negativity on what was otherwise a fantastic time for everybody but him. But I figured, wtf, leave it alone, if he doesn't have the desire to fix it, but does have the desire to complain, then I don't have time to waste on interacting with someone like that, and I left it alone.

So lately his actions have been thinly veiled in the benevolence of all..."I think we should all just let the local folks have the flag". When I see the truth of the matter as being very shallow and self serving. He could care less what other people in other parts of the country do with the flag, or who brings it, or who keeps it. He is just trying to set a precedent that when we go to Denver he is supposed to have the flag regardless of any kind of vote or popular consensus, or whatever anyone else feels about it. We're all supposed to add the miles to our day, including people who may have a hard time making it into RR, let alone any extra walking, just so he can have his party at his trailer.

This is not the actions of someone who is looking out for everybody. And to hide behind that and try to make it sound that way is reprehensible. "I think we all should do it this way", because it serves me, with no concern of how others feel about it or how it affects them. He never mentioned voting on it.

I apologize for my harsh post earlier. I knew it would be offensive, and I used that to make the point.

Please, don't use the flag for your personal situations that are less about everyone and more about yourself. It's everybody's flag and should be shared like so.

If DM had the sense to communicate with the rest of us at RR, I'm sure a few, myself included, would have tried to find him and have a good time with him there. He chose not to do that and was the only one of us who didn't have a great time. The responsibility was on him to do so, not the rest of us. People tried to contact him during the run, but got no answer.

So please, from here on in, save the bullshit. If you want the flag, ask for the flag. Usually you can and will get it sent to your place for your good time. If for some reason there is an issue it it up to you to try to fix it while there is time to fix it. Complaining later and bringing continued undue negativity to the rest of us is unacceptable. And save the phony benevolence, (like when you make believe you're acting in the groups effort but are actually only looking out for yourself) people see right through it and will call you out on it eventually.
Let us all look kindly on our neighbor.
Last Edit: 1 year, 10 months ago by Ossumpei.
jaredlang
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Re: The Flag

#217011 1 year, 10 months ago
WHEN Furthur plays their 3 ( or 5 ) night Montreal run I will be more than happy to meet up with anyone and everyone and show you guys around. I just don't think I want the responsibility of being the flag bearer.
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nycdave
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Re: The Flag

#217054 1 year, 10 months ago
Denver Man has spent some time out on this forum, and I respect his opinion. From what I see, when Furthur came to town, he made an effort to contribute to 'our culture' and party, and felt sleighted that that effort went to waste. One thing I have learned in my relatively short life on this planet is that things never work out quite the way we plan them to. It is painful when we try to make things more fun and that effort is ignored. Getting more than one person satisfied in a group situation is hard enough, let alone a whole group of folks ('specially Furthur folks). We have been through what happened at RR before. I would hope that the tent FFF floats is boat under, is an inclusive one and that we welcome all who in the end, just want to dance and have fun.
In any social situation, there are people who plant the flag and others that are not happy where that flag is planted. Everyone brings a unique (and valid) perspective.
Okay enough with the philosophcal rants. Ossumpei and Denver man, enough with the bickering and time for a hug. If you two cannot do that, you will not get brownies for dessert! So how's that for Kangaroo justice!
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Re: The Flag

#217071 1 year, 10 months ago
Mmmmm, brownies!
Takin' it in stride!
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AcidTestGraduate
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Re: The Flag

#217073 1 year, 10 months ago
you've got to hug if you want your pudding, how can you have any pudding if you don't hug?

Wow, I just read some of the drama that has ensued. I'm really surprised Denver Man extended his hand in local hospitality and y'all didn't take him up on it? Am I getting this right?
Denver Man
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Re: The Flag

#217076 1 year, 10 months ago
Ossumpei wrote:
I'll explain why I feel the way I do.

In Red Rocks, for whatever reason, Denver Man decided not to interact with the rest of us. It was his home town, he knew the venue and the lots, knew where the flag was because it was posted daily, and knew very well how to find it, and the rest of the forum there. He didn't contact anyone or let us know where he was, or raise any other issue until Monday, when the shows were over and we were on the way home. Then he starts with his complaining that he didn't have the party at his mobile home or whatever, and that the rest of us were somehow at fault. It seemed that his wife was hurt and I thought he missed the shows because of that. I felt sorry for his situation and at the time wished he had made it. Come to find out he was sitting on the lot being mad that nobody came to see him at his trailer. The time to fix that was when it was happening, like Saturday or Sunday, when the shows were happening and we all were there. But no, he decides to wait to complain and cause unnecessary negativity on what was otherwise a fantastic time for everybody but him. But I figured, wtf, leave it alone, if he doesn't have the desire to fix it, but does have the desire to complain, then I don't have time to waste on interacting with someone like that, and I left it alone.

So lately his actions have been thinly veiled in the benevolence of all..."I think we should all just let the local folks have the flag". When I see the truth of the matter as being very shallow and self serving. He could care less what other people in other parts of the country do with the flag, or who brings it, or who keeps it. He is just trying to set a precedent that when we go to Denver he is supposed to have the flag regardless of any kind of vote or popular consensus, or whatever anyone else feels about it. We're all supposed to add the miles to our day, including people who may have a hard time making it into RR, let alone any extra walking, just so he can have his party at his trailer.

This is not the actions of someone who is looking out for everybody. And to hide behind that and try to make it sound that way is reprehensible. "I think we all should do it this way", because it serves me, with no concern of how others feel about it or how it affects them. He never mentioned voting on it.

I apologize for my harsh post earlier. I knew it would be offensive, and I used that to make the point.

Please, don't use the flag for your personal situations that are less about everyone and more about yourself. It's everybody's flag and should be shared like so.

If DM had the sense to communicate with the rest of us at RR, I'm sure a few, myself included, would have tried to find him and have a good time with him there. He chose not to do that and was the only one of us who didn't have a great time. The responsibility was on him to do so, not the rest of us. People tried to contact him during the run, but got no answer.

So please, from here on in, save the bullshit. If you want the flag, ask for the flag. Usually you can and will get it sent to your place for your good time. If for some reason there is an issue it it up to you to try to fix it while there is time to fix it. Complaining later and bringing continued undue negativity to the rest of us is unacceptable. And save the phony benevolence, (like when you make believe you're acting in the groups effort but are actually only looking out for yourself) people see right through it and will call you out on it eventually.


Wow. Damn that hurts man you got me. I don't even want to respond to this garbage but I guess I will defend myself. My point here was that the same people always have the flag and you turned it into RR.

You have no idea what was going on those days with us and/or you fail to recognize our issues we had. That's fine man whatever. But I will say your rant was completely uncalled for. All I wanted to do was have a party for everyone at RR in my "trailer"and I went out of my way to get stuff for YOU and you can't even at least acknowledge that and attack me. I never said anything about you personally man. So this hurts and is just plain mean. Everyone else I talked with was just disappointed that things didn't work out but you had to turn it into an attack like I'm some sort of bad person. I have always looked out for others so you don't even know what you are talking about. I have nothing against you and still don't even after your blasting of me.
I went walkin' out last summer
Tryin' to find a breath of air
I went walkin' on the mountain
A friend had told me I'd find you there
Denver Man
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Re: The Flag

#217078 1 year, 10 months ago
AcidTestGraduate wrote:
you've got to hug if you want your pudding, how can you have any pudding if you don't hug?

Wow, I just read some of the drama that has ensued. I'm really surprised Denver Man extended his hand in local hospitality and y'all didn't take him up on it? Am I getting this right?


Just drop it. It was way more complicated than that. It's no one's fault. I'm the big asshole and don't desreve anyone's friendship here so go ahead pile it on and kick me when I'm down. I'm pretty down right down so Denver Man signing off.
I went walkin' out last summer
Tryin' to find a breath of air
I went walkin' on the mountain
A friend had told me I'd find you there
Denver Man
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On the day I was born daddy sat down and cried

Re: The Flag

#217081 1 year, 10 months ago
nycdave wrote:
Denver Man has spent some time out on this forum, and I respect his opinion. From what I see, when Furthur came to town, he made an effort to contribute to 'our culture' and party, and felt sleighted that that effort went to waste. One thing I have learned in my relatively short life on this planet is that things never work out quite the way we plan them to. It is painful when we try to make things more fun and that effort is ignored. Getting more than one person satisfied in a group situation is hard enough, let alone a whole group of folks ('specially Furthur folks). We have been through what happened at RR before. I would hope that the tent FFF floats is boat under, is an inclusive one and that we welcome all who in the end, just want to dance and have fun.
In any social situation, there are people who plant the flag and others that are not happy where that flag is planted. Everyone brings a unique (and valid) perspective.
Okay enough with the philosophcal rants. Ossumpei and Denver man, enough with the bickering and time for a hug. If you two cannot do that, you will not get brownies for dessert! So how's that for Kangaroo justice!


Thanks nycdave. I hope to see you in SF, but after this I'm probably an outcast. Denver Man signing out.
I went walkin' out last summer
Tryin' to find a breath of air
I went walkin' on the mountain
A friend had told me I'd find you there
alilfurther
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Re: The Flag

#217082 1 year, 10 months ago
oh my whats happening peace peace !!!!
Let It SHIIIINE !!!!!!!!!!
AcidTestGraduate
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Re: The Flag

#217084 1 year, 10 months ago
Denver Man wrote:
AcidTestGraduate wrote:
you've got to hug if you want your pudding, how can you have any pudding if you don't hug?

Wow, I just read some of the drama that has ensued. I'm really surprised Denver Man extended his hand in local hospitality and y'all didn't take him up on it? Am I getting this right?


Just drop it. It was way more complicated than that. It's no one's fault. I'm the big asshole and don't desreve anyone's friendship here so go ahead pile it on and kick me when I'm down. I'm pretty down right down so Denver Man signing off.


Hey man, I 've always thought you a pretty righteous dude. No harm intended, none taken I hope. If I had offered my place to those visiting and they chose not to accept I'd be a bit disappointed. But I guess it's not as simple as that. Please don't be so hard on yourself.
kevin
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Re: The Flag

#217086 1 year, 10 months ago
Denver Man wrote:
AcidTestGraduate wrote:
you've got to hug if you want your pudding, how can you have any pudding if you don't hug?

Wow, I just read some of the drama that has ensued. I'm really surprised Denver Man extended his hand in local hospitality and y'all didn't take him up on it? Am I getting this right?


Just drop it. It was way more complicated than that. It's no one's fault. I'm the big asshole and don't desreve anyone's friendship here so go ahead pile it on and kick me when I'm down. I'm pretty down right down so Denver Man signing off.


NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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FurthurFlower67
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Re: The Flag

#217088 1 year, 10 months ago


Bill I know you are a better person then this!

DM, you do have every right to be upset with that happened at Red Rocks. It was a very unfortunate circumstance.

So with that being said lets everyone put it in the past and move on!!! There is lots more to be grateful for! I don't like to see negativity and especially in this flag thread! Take it over to Wheelmans pathetic threads! Or the kangaroo court where you are all guilty! THANK YOU!


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