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JOE DANGLE
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Re: Did Jerry Hold Them Back?

#12208 3 years, 3 months ago
"The Mans" music, playing, and contribution to the greatful dead has meant so much to me that I would have no interest looking at the last years of his life from this perspective. I think he gave all he had to give ! I could not ask anyone of anymore.

That being said, I am amazed at the progress John (in my humble subjective opinion) has made in the last year. I feel that Bob and Phil have nurtured him along and are now developing a monster of an artist. I reflect and realize now, how very importantant Phil and Bob were to Jerry's mastery. They were the canvas, frame and broad stokes which enabled him to apply the detail. Without any one of the big three, I don't believe we would have had anything close to the masterpiece that we call the Grateful Dead.

This music has been woven into the fabric of my soul since the moment I heard it. No time to speculate, I'm gonna go for it for sure.
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Natorious
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Re: Did Jerry Hold Them Back?

#12267 3 years, 3 months ago
You never would have heard "Them" without Jerry. Without Jerry, there wouldn't be a Furthur. This post has to be someone who never saw Jerry and is deluding themselves into thinking they are seeing prime Dead. Wrong!!!!
coyotte
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Posts:109

Re: Did Jerry Hold Them Back?

#12316 3 years, 3 months ago
hahahahahahaha what a joke oh Juggy what have you done now....
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Brooklyn Jimmy
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Re: Did Jerry Hold Them Back?

#12326 3 years, 3 months ago
I agree with everything everyone has said in this thread.
Deadhead4Obama
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Posts:252

Re: Did Jerry Hold Them Back?

#12337 3 years, 3 months ago
Been avoiding this thread for a few days now... Tis a very touchy subject. Jerry is OUR 'god' to a extent, and any sort of critism of him, justfied or not, always require tact and a bit of diplomacy. Witht aht said, though, I still feel the need to dive into this debate head first.

Now, I'll preface this all with saying I NEVER saw Jerry. My Dad was responsible in the late 80s and 90s and never took me to a show. I know this matters to some of you because without actually seeing jerry, I am supposedly not equipped to have say. I call bullshit. I've listened to countless Dead shows, hours and hours of wonderful music. I've listened the whole way back ot eh beginning to the very end. I even DL'd and listened to 100+ shows my Dad saw from 79 to 95.

So, with that said... I agree that the Grateful Dead was holding themselves back. I think in the early 80s the group shoudl have ended, and the 'side project's should have been born. However, with the amount of people depending on the Dead tour ot sustain life, this wasnt an option so they trudged on. There were some beautiful moments, don't get me wrong. But I think despite having fun and makign a go of it, each band member really longed for the NEXT project...

That is where I see Jughead's POV coming into play. It wasn't that Jerry wasn't into the Dead, he just wanted something fresher and newer. That's why he seemed so much more enthusiac, IMO, with the Jerry Band stuff and the Grisman stuff. Remember, Jerry wanted to make bluegrass and what not when teh Dead started! I think he certianly felt trapped and stuck in the mud with the Dead because of what the fans wanted to hear. I think proof positive of this atittude is in 85 when they busted out Cryptical Envelopment. I believe there is Jerry quote stating something along the lines "All the fans want is something different! Thats all they complain abotu! So lets give them something different!!!"

No amtter how you look at it there are certainly reasons why the songbook shrunk so much in the 80s and has now expanded so much in the 2000s. maybe it was Jery, maybe it wasnt. I say it was the whole beast knwon as the Grateful Dead, and that each member played their own role. Lesh and Weir's drug abuse certainly didn't help things.
LightningBolt
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Re: Did Jerry Hold Them Back?

#12347 3 years, 3 months ago
There is no question that Jerry's physical decline in the 90's held the dead back. At a time when the other guys were all sober and becoming better and better, Jerry was not holding up his end of the bargain. Although there were moments of brilliance there were also moments of tremendous apathy. I remember times in the 90's when Jerry would turn his guitar volume down so low that it was inaudible. I remember many nights when Bob, Phil and even Vince had to carry the load. Who remembers the nights when Jerry was absent from the stage for entire songs.......Jerry is Jerry and the Grateful Dead in the 90's were what they were. We will never know what the GD would have been in the 90's with a healthy Jerry but at the same time I am grateful for any time I got to spend listening to the band. Would the Grateful Dead of been better with a healthy Jerry.....no doubt the answer is yes but I would rather hear the authors voice sing "So Many Roads" any day then a tribute act or John K.......better though they might be then the sick and wounded warrior. I miss the man............
ruby_claire
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Neon Light Diamond

Re: Did Jerry Hold Them Back?

#12354 3 years, 3 months ago
@Deadhead4Obama

I thought I was the only one who avoided dealing with posts that I find sensitive in nature. Sometimes I run from the whole forum if it looks like things might get messy.

Glad to know I'm not alone.
standing on the moon
with nothing left to do
a lovely view of heaven
but i'd rather be with you
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