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Chester
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#112919 2 years, 9 months ago
You could send the best candidate to Washington, with the best of intentions, and they will be corrupted
by the system. The Government is broken. The whole political process is broken. The president's hands are
effectively tied by congress and the senate. Yet he still has to take ultimate responsibility. It's a mess.
I can't come down, it's plain to see.
I can't come down, I've been set free.
Who you are, and what you do,
don't make no difference to me.
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#112921 2 years, 9 months ago
Chester wrote:
You could send the best candidate to Washington, with the best of intentions, and they will be corrupted
by the system. The Government is broken. The whole political process is broken. The president's hands are
effectively tied by congress and the senate. Yet he still has to take ultimate responsibility. It's a mess.


I agree with all this and yet I still vote in every election. Why? Because it's a priviledge so few in this world enjoy.
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"No!"
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#112923 2 years, 9 months ago
I do to. And for the exact same reason. It's all we can do, so we have to.
I can't come down, it's plain to see.
I can't come down, I've been set free.
Who you are, and what you do,
don't make no difference to me.
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#112974 2 years, 9 months ago
patchmyfurthur wrote:
if you are all ok with SOPA passing and this NDAA passing, fine vote for Obama.

I don't know if I will vote, because I too have lost faith in our government.

First of all, the White House has already said they will veto SOPA, and clearly it will never get out of Congress anyway. I agree with you on NDAA, and even Obama's signing statement saying he will not allow detentions is small comfort. it is still less destructive than the original Patriot Act, though.
However, given what he has had to work with for a Congress, I'd say Obama has accomplished some good things. Don't overlook the importance of his reversals of the Bush policies on EPA regulations, stem cell research, family planning availability and health care. I believe you're under 26, Patrick, which means thanks to Obama (and many, many others) and his health care reform act, you can hang on to your parent's insurance for several years longer. Anyone on the forum who has had previous health problems can now get the insurance that they would previously have been denied. Insurance companies can no longer cancel your policy after you're diagnosed; this alone is literally a life saver. I've seen patients diagnosed with cancer who then get their insurance yanked the minute they need it, effectively handing them a death sentence. He's ended Don't Act/Don't Tell, ended enforcement of DOMA, and appointed 2 progressive women to the Supreme Court. Most of our troops are out of Iraq, Osama Bin Laden and Muhammar Gaddafi are dead, and we've supported uprisings and significant change in the Middle East. Is it enough or everything I want to see from our government? Not even close, but it's a hell of a lot better than the previous 8 years or more.
It's easy to lose faith in the system. But voting isn't a sign of support for the status quo, imho, it's the only way to start changing it! Take care who you vote for, make it count! That's going to be a whole lot more helpful to everyone than not voting at all.
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#112979 2 years, 9 months ago
SunshineSue wrote:
patchmyfurthur wrote:
if you are all ok with SOPA passing and this NDAA passing, fine vote for Obama.

I don't know if I will vote, because I too have lost faith in our government.

First of all, the White House has already said they will veto SOPA, and clearly it will never get out of Congress anyway. I agree with you on NDAA, and even Obama's signing statement saying he will not allow detentions is small comfort. it is still less destructive than the original Patriot Act, though.
However, given what he has had to work with for a Congress, I'd say Obama has accomplished some good things. Don't overlook the importance of his reversals of the Bush policies on EPA regulations, stem cell research, family planning availability and health care. I believe you're under 26, Patrick, which means thanks to Obama (and many, many others) and his health care reform act, you can hang on to your parent's insurance for several years longer. Anyone on the forum who has had previous health problems can now get the insurance that they would previously have been denied. Insurance companies can no longer cancel your policy after you're diagnosed; this alone is literally a life saver. I've seen patients diagnosed with cancer who then get their insurance yanked the minute they need it, effectively handing them a death sentence. He's ended Don't Act/Don't Tell, ended enforcement of DOMA, and appointed 2 progressive women to the Supreme Court. Most of our troops are out of Iraq, Osama Bin Laden and Muhammar Gaddafi are dead, and we've supported uprisings and significant change in the Middle East. Is it enough or everything I want to see from our government? Not even close, but it's a hell of a lot better than the previous 8 years or more.
It's easy to lose faith in the system. But voting isn't a sign of support for the status quo, imho, it's the only way to start changing it! Take care who you vote for, make it count! That's going to be a whole lot more helpful to everyone than not voting at all.



Sunshine Sue, it could not have been laid out more clearly....THANK YOU!
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#112983 2 years, 9 months ago
Hey we all helped phil pay for that ferrari! Go phil! That's a nice car.

I vote JK
And I'm going to sit right here until I die
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#113007 2 years, 9 months ago
Obama just came out against the keystone pipline too. Although he hasn't been as good as he could be on the environement, he is much, much, much better than what Ron Paul would do. The Dead has a very long history of political involvment around the environment (not to mention their benifit for the Black Panthers back in the day).
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#113011 2 years, 9 months ago
patchmyfurthur wrote:
if you are all ok with SOPA passing and this NDAA passing, fine vote for Obama.

I don't know if I will vote, because I too have lost faith in our government.


and our goverment has lost faith in the voters ablitiy inform themselves as well.

Win/Win
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Said you treat other people right,
Other people probably treat you cool.
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#113059 2 years, 9 months ago
I wouldnt goe to a single show... Not a damn penny to the obama administration! Stay out of politics. This will be my first year elgible to vote and most likely i wont vote or il write in Jesse Ventura. Vote independant if anything
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#113069 2 years, 9 months ago
PLEASE READ BOOKS !!!!!!

She tries to live by the golden rule.
Said you treat other people right,
Other people probably treat you cool.
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#113074 2 years, 9 months ago
who was that directed too?^
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#113077 2 years, 9 months ago
Was not directed at you just the general convo and my point was that the voting populous should read more to make better informed decisions on who they vote for.
She tries to live by the golden rule.
Said you treat other people right,
Other people probably treat you cool.
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