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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#113100 2 years, 9 months ago
Phred ! Welcome !

I have read Ron Paul Manifesto. Talk about deal breaker.
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#113101 2 years, 9 months ago
In all the bad decisions Obama has had to make, or has made, killing the Tar Sands Pipeline a positive. Contact: This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it if you're interested in passing a little thanks to Obama.

DangerousDan, i can well appreciate your cynicism. The depravity of the political system is beyond words, though murder, thievery, and liars comes quickly to mind. Fortunatly I have a friend from Chicago who is much more familiar with Obama than I. I don't believe that my vote will even be counted. I do believe the corruption is so extreme that Jeb did corrupt the Florida vote. The twin towers did not fall straight down without explosions. Off track again? Not. Point being: I am sure if I don't vote, the world dominators / manipulators/ powers that be, other than GOD, who would rather I didn't vote, but give them their control, after all my and our collective good is in their best interest (< SARCASM), would in fact have succeeded in keeping me from voting, because I don't believe in this corrupt system. F_ck it, perhaps I should just off myself, that would also be in their interest, for I am apposed to oppression. Conspiracy only makes good business sense. Everyone, study alternative sources.

Welcome Phred, I think I'm in that picture, what time/ day?
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#113105 2 years, 9 months ago
Hi Sue. I agree with you about the lack of environmental controls and abortion issues. Paul says that he would prefer to allow the states to individually regulate such matters, rather than having a very large federal agency do so. This doesn't necessarily mean zero regulation on water/air quality, it just delegates the enforcement to smaller communities.

I suppose my comparison of Paul and Dead tour was more in the economic spectrum. Free enterprise at its finest, with little regulation or oversight. And the sense of community and sharing of the Dead came about naturally, not through government mandates. I wish the entire country was level headed enough to do the same.

Imagine a whole country full of heads! Lets secede!

I better watch my words, or the SOPA guys will get me for treason.
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#113107 2 years, 9 months ago
He will need the ECO vote come Dec. He hasn't been to popular with the movement as of late.

I saw Rick Perry last night say that if we just "Neuter the EPA" we can turn the economy around.

Can't see the eco-vote going anywhere else, but I do thank him for his efforts in holding that project back untill after the election.

Environmental impact assessment needs to be done publically and not by a consulting company that is affiliated with those who stand to make money off of the project.
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#113161 2 years, 9 months ago
ecojaded wrote:
Was not directed at you just the general convo and my point was that the voting populous should read more to make better informed decisions on who they vote for.

TRUE! The mis-informed voter is our biggest obstacle... Plus, if people want to see EVERYTHING privatized (Better pay

your fire department bill/pay-off), vote wacko Paul. Want to see more deregulation and crony capitalsm, the kind of policies

that got us into this economic mess in the first place? Vote Mitt or angelic Newt...both very hard working citizens!
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#113208 2 years, 9 months ago
It's frustrating to me that candidates are expected to follow a party line when life is full of problems that cannot be solved by a conservative or liberal or libertarian. A lot of people will vote Republican even though they know it's the wrong decision for the environment more often than not just because they believe for example that abortion is murder. Why should I have to pick my poison like this. I think Ron Pauls position on abortion has to do with at least less govt. on abortion because, and I may have my info incorrect, I believe as it stands now abortion is partly subsidized by big brother and funneled to places like Planned Parenthood. I'm not saying I'm against choice either and just use this to make a point. All I'm saying is it's not one size fits all and I like Ron Paul but we have to have some form of leadership where there are those checks and balances as well. But how to end the Gridlock? Obama while not perfect has had a heck of a mess to clean up and from my boots on the ground position I for one am thankful, my wife was uninsurable before he went to work.
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#113242 2 years, 9 months ago
Gordon the Drummer wrote:
Nope, it hasn't been announced. But it's a great idea to get out the hippie vote again, and maybe they can include Hornsby in a big old spectacular national-attention-getting show this time. It doesn't have to "replace" Furthur, either; in a Spring 2008 interview Phil Lesh said, “Basically, what [The Dead have] decided after the Obama event was that when we do get together we want to do it for a good cause — for benefits. For something like the getting-out-the-vote rallies. For doing good for other people. That’s basically the approach we’re going to take.” www.theweekender.com/music0617.html

A few lineups that would work:
Weir, Lesh, Kreutzmann, Hart, Hornsby, Marsalis, Sless and Donna Jean
Weir, Lesh, Kreutzmann, Hart, Hornsby, Karan and Osborne
Weir, Lesh, Kreutzmann, Hart, Hornsby, Herring, Karan and Donna Jean
Weir, Lesh, Kreutzmann, Hart, Hornsby, Karan, Becker and Pehrson
Weir, Lesh, Kreutzmann, Hart, Hornsby and Haynes

no jeff?
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#113281 2 years, 9 months ago
Fourwinds, actually there is zero federal funds that go to abortion and having the government decide for women what they do with their bodies is more government involvement not less. Ron Paul talks less government but just like the rest of the RP what they really are talking about is where there should be government, not about less or more. Look at the record of DP v. RP and you will quickly see that the RP increases government just as much and usally into social issues (including drug use!).

My wife also now has health care thanks to the health care law and our second daughter's birth did not have to come out of pocket because of it (which would have meant paying off that bill for 20+ years!). I don't like the health care bill overall, I think we need a single payer system like in all other advanced economic countries (I lived in Canada for 5 years and that system is really, really good) but it is better than it was before.

Ron Paul's states rights approach has all kinds of problems and doubt he would actually follow his own plan. He actually traces his philosophy for states rights back to the Civil War, which he claims we shouldn't have had!!! Also his stance on the Civil Rights Act is completely racist.
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#113322 2 years, 9 months ago
For what it's worth Ron Paul was an obstetrician - and he will never get my vote.

It does not affect ME personally, but anyone who tries to tell another family that they cannot have an abortion does not deserve to be given any powers. I am in theory opposed to abortions, but there are cases where they make sense. It's a horrible decision to have to make, but who the hell is he to tell anyone else what to do with their bodies and their families. Sorry guy, we had enough deaths from self inflicted abortions before before Roe v Wade.

Perry is out as of today.

And Newt, what a bloody fool (my opinion). This is how you handle a crisis? (one of his former wives (#2 of 3 ??) went on TV this morning to say Newt wanted an open marriage (I didn't see, but read highlights, I'm sure there was more).

Newt would not comment beyond saying it was more than 10 years ago and a family matter.

Gingrich referred all inquiries about the matter to his two daughters, who have criticized the decision.
"My two daughters Kathy and Jackie have sent a letter to the president of ABC News, saying from a family perspective they think this is totally wrong," he said. "They think ABC should not air anything like this and that intruding into family things that are more, that are more than a decade old are simply wrong."
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#113323 2 years, 9 months ago
SunshineSue wrote:
patchmyfurthur wrote:
if you are all ok with SOPA passing and this NDAA passing, fine vote for Obama.

I don't know if I will vote, because I too have lost faith in our government.

First of all, the White House has already said they will veto SOPA, and clearly it will never get out of Congress anyway. I agree with you on NDAA, and even Obama's signing statement saying he will not allow detentions is small comfort. it is still less destructive than the original Patriot Act, though.
However, given what he has had to work with for a Congress, I'd say Obama has accomplished some good things. Don't overlook the importance of his reversals of the Bush policies on EPA regulations, stem cell research, family planning availability and health care. I believe you're under 26, Patrick, which means thanks to Obama (and many, many others) and his health care reform act, you can hang on to your parent's insurance for several years longer. Anyone on the forum who has had previous health problems can now get the insurance that they would previously have been denied. Insurance companies can no longer cancel your policy after you're diagnosed; this alone is literally a life saver. I've seen patients diagnosed with cancer who then get their insurance yanked the minute they need it, effectively handing them a death sentence. He's ended Don't Act/Don't Tell, ended enforcement of DOMA, and appointed 2 progressive women to the Supreme Court. Most of our troops are out of Iraq, Osama Bin Laden and Muhammar Gaddafi are dead, and we've supported uprisings and significant change in the Middle East. Is it enough or everything I want to see from our government? Not even close, but it's a hell of a lot better than the previous 8 years or more.
It's easy to lose faith in the system. But voting isn't a sign of support for the status quo, imho, it's the only way to start changing it! Take care who you vote for, make it count! That's going to be a whole lot more helpful to everyone than not voting at all.
Well said Sue!!! I'm in no way a shill for our President, but as a bit of a political junkie, I have NEVER seen a sitting President treated so poorly by the acting Congress. From the day he walked in the door, he's been accused being a socialist, a Marxist, a facist, a communist, and even compared to Hitler. He has been so unfairly treated by the Republican side from the get go. Frankly, President Obama has gotten a tremendous amount of positive legislation passed with absolutely NO help from the Republicans. This President IS fighting for most of us.
I have even seen some so-called, rational friends of mine unveil a sickening racist side when speaking about this President that I never expected. Some people STILL cannot handle that we even have a non-white President for 3 years now! I'm not joking and I'm in a highly Democratic area of the country. Everyone should educate themselves on the issues before voting, but form my point of view, I could NEVER vote for the conservative, right-wing, evangelical nonsense I hear coming from the Republican side. They truly ARE for the 1% and are for taking US backwards in this country, not forward. President Obama clearly deserves another term.......Mitt Romney?? Newt Gingrich?? are you fucking kidding me with this clown show of Republican candidates. I support President Obama
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