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Canyon Critter
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#112905 2 years, 9 months ago
Someone once told me don't ever mix Religion an Politics with the Grateful Dead.....now you all should get over to the WANEE 2012 Thread and get back to Music!
~~~♥♥♥♥~~~♥♪♫♪♫☮♥ I'd Rather Drink Muddy Water ♥☮ ♫♪♫♪♥~~~♥♥♥♥~~~
But then again....I'd rather be a kind lovin' hippy and listen to the best music possible!
Iriecycle
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#112906 2 years, 9 months ago
and where is said thread?

Is that Phil getting out of said hot ride?
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nycdave
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#112909 2 years, 9 months ago
So here we are at the Furthur site, discussing politics. Since we are tossing out ideas about music and politics, it's late (and the darkness of the moon besides); a singer songwriter named Phil Ochs wrote a song about John F Kennedy called Crucifixion. Two verses fit into this discussion (for me) so I thought I would share:

In the green fields a turnin', a baby is born
His cries crease the wind and mingle with the morn
An assault upon the order, the changing of the guard
Chosen for a challenge that is hopelessly hard
And the only single sound is the sighing of the stars
But to the silence and distance they are sworn

So he stands on the sea and shouts to the shore,
But the louder that he screams the longer he's ignored
For the wine of oblivion is drunk to the dregs
And the merchants of the masses almost have to be begged
'Til the giant is aware, someone's pulling at his leg,
And someone is tapping at the door.

To dance dance dance
Teach us to be true
Come dance dance dance
'Cause we love you
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Bilbo
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#112915 2 years, 9 months ago
Now if Dennis K had a chance, or the senator from Vermont, can't think of his name...Bernie Sanders, the self-professed

socialist..I would

vote for one of thos guys if they had a fight'n' chance! As it is, there is NO way I would vote for a repub, the party of

profit over people! No president has been "perfect" and has done everything that was expected or wished from him....they

CAN'T!

That's the problem with politics as they are. Whoever is president, they have to pander to certain interests...and as the old

saying goes...you can't please everyone. We need to get the money OUT of politics.
Peals of fragile thunder...keeping time...
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Chester
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#112919 2 years, 9 months ago
You could send the best candidate to Washington, with the best of intentions, and they will be corrupted
by the system. The Government is broken. The whole political process is broken. The president's hands are
effectively tied by congress and the senate. Yet he still has to take ultimate responsibility. It's a mess.
I can't come down, it's plain to see.
I can't come down, I've been set free.
Who you are, and what you do,
don't make no difference to me.
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#112921 2 years, 9 months ago
Chester wrote:
You could send the best candidate to Washington, with the best of intentions, and they will be corrupted
by the system. The Government is broken. The whole political process is broken. The president's hands are
effectively tied by congress and the senate. Yet he still has to take ultimate responsibility. It's a mess.


I agree with all this and yet I still vote in every election. Why? Because it's a priviledge so few in this world enjoy.
"Got any nails?"
"No!"
"Got any flies?"
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#112923 2 years, 9 months ago
I do to. And for the exact same reason. It's all we can do, so we have to.
I can't come down, it's plain to see.
I can't come down, I've been set free.
Who you are, and what you do,
don't make no difference to me.
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#112974 2 years, 9 months ago
patchmyfurthur wrote:
if you are all ok with SOPA passing and this NDAA passing, fine vote for Obama.

I don't know if I will vote, because I too have lost faith in our government.

First of all, the White House has already said they will veto SOPA, and clearly it will never get out of Congress anyway. I agree with you on NDAA, and even Obama's signing statement saying he will not allow detentions is small comfort. it is still less destructive than the original Patriot Act, though.
However, given what he has had to work with for a Congress, I'd say Obama has accomplished some good things. Don't overlook the importance of his reversals of the Bush policies on EPA regulations, stem cell research, family planning availability and health care. I believe you're under 26, Patrick, which means thanks to Obama (and many, many others) and his health care reform act, you can hang on to your parent's insurance for several years longer. Anyone on the forum who has had previous health problems can now get the insurance that they would previously have been denied. Insurance companies can no longer cancel your policy after you're diagnosed; this alone is literally a life saver. I've seen patients diagnosed with cancer who then get their insurance yanked the minute they need it, effectively handing them a death sentence. He's ended Don't Act/Don't Tell, ended enforcement of DOMA, and appointed 2 progressive women to the Supreme Court. Most of our troops are out of Iraq, Osama Bin Laden and Muhammar Gaddafi are dead, and we've supported uprisings and significant change in the Middle East. Is it enough or everything I want to see from our government? Not even close, but it's a hell of a lot better than the previous 8 years or more.
It's easy to lose faith in the system. But voting isn't a sign of support for the status quo, imho, it's the only way to start changing it! Take care who you vote for, make it count! That's going to be a whole lot more helpful to everyone than not voting at all.
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Bilbo
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#112979 2 years, 9 months ago
SunshineSue wrote:
patchmyfurthur wrote:
if you are all ok with SOPA passing and this NDAA passing, fine vote for Obama.

I don't know if I will vote, because I too have lost faith in our government.

First of all, the White House has already said they will veto SOPA, and clearly it will never get out of Congress anyway. I agree with you on NDAA, and even Obama's signing statement saying he will not allow detentions is small comfort. it is still less destructive than the original Patriot Act, though.
However, given what he has had to work with for a Congress, I'd say Obama has accomplished some good things. Don't overlook the importance of his reversals of the Bush policies on EPA regulations, stem cell research, family planning availability and health care. I believe you're under 26, Patrick, which means thanks to Obama (and many, many others) and his health care reform act, you can hang on to your parent's insurance for several years longer. Anyone on the forum who has had previous health problems can now get the insurance that they would previously have been denied. Insurance companies can no longer cancel your policy after you're diagnosed; this alone is literally a life saver. I've seen patients diagnosed with cancer who then get their insurance yanked the minute they need it, effectively handing them a death sentence. He's ended Don't Act/Don't Tell, ended enforcement of DOMA, and appointed 2 progressive women to the Supreme Court. Most of our troops are out of Iraq, Osama Bin Laden and Muhammar Gaddafi are dead, and we've supported uprisings and significant change in the Middle East. Is it enough or everything I want to see from our government? Not even close, but it's a hell of a lot better than the previous 8 years or more.
It's easy to lose faith in the system. But voting isn't a sign of support for the status quo, imho, it's the only way to start changing it! Take care who you vote for, make it count! That's going to be a whole lot more helpful to everyone than not voting at all.



Sunshine Sue, it could not have been laid out more clearly....THANK YOU!
Peals of fragile thunder...keeping time...
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#112983 2 years, 9 months ago
Hey we all helped phil pay for that ferrari! Go phil! That's a nice car.

I vote JK
And I'm going to sit right here until I die
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