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lostsailor
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#193527 1 year, 7 months ago
Phred- I'm confused- were you talking to me abotu the 8%? I'm trying to understand where he got the 8% figure form myself...

Obama's done a fine job and if we had elected the Republicant's guy instead of Obama we'd be in a real shit house right now. He probably would have kicked the can and we'd be stuck with the palin.
Phred
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#193531 1 year, 7 months ago
lostsailor wrote:
Phred- I'm confused- were you talking to me abotu the 8%? I'm trying to understand where he got the 8% figure form myself...

Obama's done a fine job and if we had elected the Republicant's guy instead of Obama we'd be in a real shit house right now. He probably would have kicked the can and we'd be stuck with the palin.


Nope, tdog is (I believe, please correct me if I am wrong) the one who brought up the 8% number...which is ridiculous. And, if he wants to discuss the deficit, you have to look no further than Bush II starting, but not paying for two wars. And then, he cuts taxes in the process! Absolutely amazing. As for Obama increasing the debt "by record amounts"...that is debatable, but what isn't debatable is that most Economists (if not in the Koch Bros. pocket) that I have heard from support the Keynesian view (after famed British economist John Maynard Keynes) that in times of recession/depression it is INCUMBENT upon the government to INCREASE spending and buy your way out of the crisis...worry about debt when times are good again. The government is the only entity that can do this. We have seen how the opposite view, austerity, has played out in Europe the past few years. Namely, it isn't working...Greece will default, Spain and Portugal may be next and Italy not far behind. The only bright spot there in recent months was the election of Hollande to the Presidency of France. He gets it.

I'm not a big fan of the federal deficit, but one needs to look at the big picture to put it all in perspective. I could go on and discuss what Mittens election and his resulting big cuts to government would result in, but I've been windy enough and want to go hit a fatty...
lostsailor
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#193535 1 year, 7 months ago
Good! Just wanting to be sure we are on same page.

I'm still waiting for an explaination of how our money is not going very far these years yet we have an inflation rate of less than 2%....
tdog
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#193556 1 year, 7 months ago
Inflation is relatively low aside from gas and food prices it's just that there isn't enough money being paid into the treasury these days to support this huge government ($1 trillion deficit spending per year in perpetuity) because we are at an employment rate (percentage of those who can work actually working. forget the fake unemployment rate) not seen for many decades, thus, fewer people paying taxes. The solution is to get more people working and paying taxes and/or cut spending. Not a lot of options.

Look, instead of focusing on me and my defense budget comment (btw defense will be cut regardless of who is elected. It's bloated like the rest of government), defend your guy. Why is he worth re-electing ? Will more of the same policies get us out of trouble ? Just arguing that things are less bad is sorta weak since it's unprovable. There are many who would disagree with that assessment anyway and have statistics (unemployment, gas prices, food prices, escalating middle east tension, race relations at a decades low, higher food stamp usage, cost of college, home foreclosures up, etc.) to back it up.

While the middle east is exploding your dude is on the Letterman show. Simply, not a serious guy. Sorry. Not personal and I really want to like the guy But I have kids to worry about and I'd like them to have a future with tax rates lower than 80% (or whatever high number it might be some day to pay for their share of the debt burden being laid at their feet).

I'd love for you to convince me to vote for your guy. Now's your chance.
Freedom is truth.
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Phred
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#193559 1 year, 7 months ago
tdog wrote:
There isn't enough money being paid into the treasury these days because we are at an employment rate (percentage of those who can work actually working. forget the fake unemployment rate) not seen for many decades, thus, fewer people paying taxes.

Look, instead of pounding on me, defend your guy. Why is he worth re-electing ? Will more of the same policies get us out of trouble ?

While the middle east is exploding your dude is on the Letterman show. Simply, not a serious guy. Sorry. Not personal.

I'd love for you to convince me otherwise.


I'm not pounding you, I'm pounding the ideas that you spew here that, in my opinion, are misguided, ill informed, and simply not true. I don't have to defend Obama... he is doing quite well without my help. Can you say the same for Mittens? And as for convincing you otherwise ... I simply don't have the time (nor will) to try to educate someone that in all probability DOESN'T really want to be "convinced otherwise". And, you probably wouldn't understand what I was trying to say to you anyway.

I was more than happy to stay on the sidelines of this issue, but when you started presenting fiction as fact and spouting the same uninformed garbage and dogma that the Tea Baggers are preaching, well, then I felt compelled to say something. But, as you said: Sorry. Not personal...
tdog
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#193562 1 year, 7 months ago
Weak, bra.

I'll make it easy for you. Name one thing that Obama has succeeded at. Bin Laden. Ok two things:)

I'll add that what Obama's trying to do to this country (fundamentally transform it into a socialist utopia) is IMPOSSIBLE. All one needs to do is look around the world and see where Obama policies/tyranny lead. It aint good. I go back to my recommendation of Orwell's Animal Farm as good reading on the topic, even though fiction, thinking folks can make the connection to what's happening right under our noses.

We need and deserve Freedom. Especially our kids, who are innocent and being phucked by Obama and his cronies. It's horrible what's happening to their futures. The economy WILL collapse if we continue down this road and I don't hear anything new in terms of ideas on how to fix it from Obama.

We're all confused
What's to lose
You can call this song
The United States Blues
Freedom is truth.
Last Edit: 1 year, 7 months ago by tdog.
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Phred
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#193617 1 year, 7 months ago
tdog wrote:
Weak, bra.

I'll make it easy for you. Name one thing that Obama has succeeded at. Bin Laden. Ok two things:)

I'll add that what Obama's trying to do to this country (fundamentally transform it into a socialist utopia) is IMPOSSIBLE. All one needs to do is look around the world and see where Obama policies/tyranny lead. It aint good. I go back to my recommendation of Orwell's Animal Farm as good reading on the topic, even though fiction, thinking folks can make the connection to what's happening right under our noses.

We need and deserve Freedom. Especially our kids, who are innocent and being phucked by Obama and his cronies. It's horrible what's happening to their futures. The economy WILL collapse if we continue down this road and I don't hear anything new in terms of ideas on how to fix it from Obama.

We're all confused
What's to lose
You can call this song
The United States Blues


Same drivel you've been promoting for last two days. Sorry, but you are boring.
Back to the sidelines for me...clearly, you are far too intelligent for me to have even attempted to take on. I am a lowly boob, and I bow to your greatness!
83msg1sttyme
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#193624 1 year, 7 months ago
lostsailor wrote:
Phred- I'm confused- were you talking to me abotu the 8%? I'm trying to understand where he got the 8% figure form myself...

Obama's done a fine job and if we had elected the Republicant's guy instead of Obama we'd be in a real shit house right now. He probably would have kicked the can and we'd be stuck with the palin.
what? last i checked McCain is alive and kicking
If i told ya all that went down,it would burn off both your ears
83msg1sttyme
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Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#193627 1 year, 7 months ago
phred all you do is name call and act condecending.BTW under obama the US debt rating has been lowered TWICE .that alone is reason for him to go
If i told ya all that went down,it would burn off both your ears
tdog
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Posts:215
Take a step back

Re: Dead Heads For Obama 2012

#193633 1 year, 7 months ago
Sorry. Didn't mean to offend. I didn't start the thread, merely here to give my opinion and to hear arguments from the opposition.

It's the most fascinating topic of our time, how can so many people be sucked into a comatose state when it comes to supporting Obama ? Now, THAT is an interesting question.

For another day then.

"When you believe in things that you don't understand
Then you suffer
Superstition aint the way" - S. Wonder
Freedom is truth.
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