Dire Wolf wrote:
I find it interesting that people are convinced that what they have is L. What if you were mistaken as to what chemical you were soaking them with? If its a designer hallucinogen and they get enough in their body you can permanently hurt them...severely with some drugs. Plus what if you dosed them they couldn't handle their head and hurt themselves.or.someone else?
Since I was quoted, I'll take this post directed at me. I have never dosed anyone without their knowledge or consent, except for my girlfriend one time, but it was acceptable to her and we ended up having a great night.
The rest of the stuff I mentioned is stuff that has happened on tour and in the scene. I mentioned I don't think it's a great idea, and gave information on how the CIA used it in testing. I know for a fact the LSD I get is LSD, and have had it analyzed before, but I am not the one puddling people unknowingly, so I can't comment for those who do. I happen to be pretty well versed in chemistry and KNOW LSD from many years of experience. I happen to know some pretty awesome people who can have things tested for me, and I know the people I would buy it from.
Perhaps you were just asking the question in general, but I am trying to answer you to the best of my ability. I know plenty of folks who are very involved with LSD, and fortunately I never have to worry about the people who try and pass off some research chemical as acid, but I can't say it is that way for the majority of people. Luckily, it is less likely to happen in the Furthur scene, than the overall jamband scene, but what you mentioned is a problem, and part of the reason I don't ever feel as comfortable at a Phish show, or other jamband show. It's also the reason I would never buy acid from someone I don't know extremely well.
I only get what i need from good friends as well (probably the best advice out there) and in the vain of the psychedelic experience are never asked for monetary compensation. It wasn't really directed at you as so much a plea for people to stop spreading the idea that dosing someone without their knowledge because they upset them somehow is not the best response. Sorry!
I only quoted you because it was the last thing i saw on the topic and you commented how you felt it was better than physical violence and I just saw how it could possibly turn into to physical violence without you're knowledge. Without accurate foresight any kind of revenge or retribution will get you in trouble. You my friend have a fairly unique situation if what you are saying is true. Access to the equipment needed to accurately identify chemical substances is expensive and not open to the general public and probably not to the people who would have the mentality to do this to someone. Therefore my comments about indiscriminate dosing and chemical potency do not really apply to you.
On totally friendly, personally separate, and inquisitive side note I find it intriguing that when drugs, deadhead, or age topics get brought up in this forum and often at shows it turns into a sort of deadhead pissing contest where people extoll their friends and sources as the 'best' around and they know so and so and this and that and they know what LSD is. Many, many, many people have knowledge of travel, chemistry, friends, know people at universities that have lab equipment, go to shows, graduates with chemistry degrees(yes college is still popular
) as well as the experience of LSD and other hallucinogens.
I guess I also wonder why some people seem to jump to the assumption that others are not as 'experienced' as them when there really is no way of knowing til you talk to them or have been there friend/family through it all. Young or old experience of all kind can be found in varying concentrations throughout the full spectrum of a human lifetime. Some old people have experienced so much while others who are young have been through more than some in a lifetime. No offense intended by any of this sorry if the tone is weird...it is the internet and hard for me to sometimes get across what point i am trying to make
Is this just healthy personal pride or actual ignorance to the shared human experience?? I have no idea.....