I'm either coming form Detroit or All Good so I listed both, but you'll have to do the math from your destination.
Costs are GDTSTOO Mail order not Ticket Bastard.

Is there a formula behind the ECF?

Only being struck in traffic in past years along these or similiar routes. In my opinon as a Midwest denizen, travel on the East Coast is the pits for sure, but with the masses and the clogged freeways comes the shows, so you gotta go.

But I'm damn glad when leaving that I'm back west of PA!

Whew the East Coast has a whole lott peeps!

An example leaving shows in NYC for Vibes some years back, 42 miles took us 2.6 hours. That's a whole lot of stress. I thought it would be 45 minutes so I added the stress factor for consideration if your gonna push the time limiits to the show.

Example haning out at Vibes to see on last band before bugging out for the Mann.

There will be a Ratdog.org gathering at Mann, as there has been since 08, and all Furthur Boarders, Zoners, and TooBoarders are welcome, bring a dish to share and all the beverages of choice you can drink.

We'll organize closer to the event and let everyone know where we're gonna be. Come join us.

It's been a hoot every year!

a head potluck dinner love

Brownies tain't bad neither!

also i LOVE the traffic stress factor

info on .org BBQ at the Mann, no reason it couldn't be come a Furthur event now!

ratdog.org/community/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=279651

gonna check it out

hey man this was really badass of you to make. I for one was actualy about to mapquest and see how much of a drive between each show we will have. But since you made it so easy. Your rockin!